List of celebrities with bipolar

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List of people with major depressive disorder
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This is a list of notable people who have, or have had, major depressive disorder. A number of well-known people have had the disorder. While depression was sometimes seen as a shameful secret until the 1970s, society has since begun discussing depression more openly. Earlier figures were often reluctant to discuss or seek treatment for depression due to social stigma about the condition, or due to ignorance of diagnosis or treatments. Some historical personalities are presumed to have had depression based on analysis or interpretation of letters, journals, artwork, writings or statements of family and friends.

A

  • Caroline Aherne, British comedian[1]
  • Gustav Ahr, American rapper, known as Lil Peep[2]
  • Chantal Akerman, Belgian avant-garde filmmaker[3]
  • Damon Albarn, English musician, lead vocalist of Blur and Gorillaz[4]
  • Alan Alda, American actor and author[5]
  • Buzz Aldrin, American astronaut, the second person to walk on the moon[6]
  • Woody Allen, American film director and actor[7]
  • Claus von Amsberg, German diplomat and husband of Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands[8]
  • Hans Christian Andersen, Danish writer[9]
  • Hideaki Anno, Japanese animator and film director[10]
  • Jack Antonoff, American musician[11]
  • Billie Joe Armstrong, American musician, vocalist of Green Day[12]
  • Malcolm Arnold, British composer[13]
  • Richard Ashcroft, English singer-songwriter[14][15]
  • Julian Assange, Australian computer programmer and editor of WikiLeaks[16]

B

  • Parveen Babi, Bollywood actress[17]
  • Alec Baldwin, American actor[18]
  • Christian Bale, British actor[19]
  • Maria Bamford, American comedian and voice-over actress[20][21]
  • David Banner, American hip hop artist[22][23]
  • Roseanne Barr, American actress, comedian, writer, and television producer[24]
  • Charles Baudelaire, French poet[25]
  • Amanda Beard, American swimmer and Olympic gold medalist[26]
  • Kristen Bell, American actress[27]
  • Chester Bennington, American musician, lead vocalist for Linkin Park[28]
  • Chris Benoit, Canadian professional wrestler[29]
  • Ingmar Bergman, Swedish film director[30]
  • Halle Berry, American actress[31]
  • Beyonce, American singer[32]
  • James Blake, British singer[33]
  • Randy Blythe, American singer[34]
  • David Bohm, British quantum physicist[35]
  • Ludwig Boltzmann, Austrian physicist and philosopher[36]
  • Kjell Magne Bondevik, Norwegian politician and former Prime Minister of Norway[37]
  • Jon Bon Jovi, American rock singer and songwriter[38]
  • Nathaniel Borenstein, American computer scientist[39]
  • Anthony Bourdain, American television personality, author and chef[40]
  • Lorraine Bracco, American actress[41]
  • Terry Bradshaw, American football player, sports analyst, television host and actor[42]
  • Wayne Brady, American comedian[43]
  • Zach Braff, American actor[44]
  • Kenneth Branagh, Northern Irish actor[45]
  • Marlon Brando, American actor[46]
  • Tod Browning, American film director[47]
  • Frank Bruno, British boxer[48]
  • Art Buchwald, American humorist[49]
  • Joe Budden, American hip hop artist[50]
  • Gianluigi Buffon, Italian footballer[51]
  • Charles Bukowski, American novelist, short story writer, and poet[52]
  • Delta Burke, American actress[53]
  • Robert Burton, British academic, author of The Anatomy of Melancholy[54]
  • Barbara Bush, First Lady of the United States (198993) and Second Lady (19811989)[55]
  • Kate Bush, British musician[56]
  • Geezer Butler, British rock bassist[57]

C

  • Anthony Callea, Australian pop singer[58]
  • Alastair Campbell, British journalist and political aide[59]
  • Truman Capote, American writer known for Breakfast at Tiffany's and In Cold Blood[60]
  • Drew Carey, American comedian and actor[61]
  • Clarke Carlisle, English professional footballer[62]
  • Jim Carrey, Canadian actor and comedian[63]
  • Johnny Carson, American television presenter[64]
  • Michael Carrick, English football coach, former player for Manchester United[65]
  • Helena Bonham Carter, British actress[66]
  • Johnny Cash, American musician[67]
  • Dick Cavett, American talk show host[68]
  • Celina Caesar-Chavannes, Canadian politician[69]
  • Raymond Chandler, American-British novelist and Oscar-winning screenwriter of The Blue Dahlia[70]
  • Iris Chang, Chinese American writer and historian[71]
  • Mary Chapin Carpenter, American singer-songwriter[72]
  • Ray Charles, American singer[73]
  • Chevy Chase, American actor and comedian[74]
  • David Chase, American writer, director and producer[75]
  • Dave Chappelle, American comedian[76]
  • Leslie Cheung, Hong Kong singer and actor[77]
  • Lawton Chiles, U.S. Senator and Governor of Florida[37]
  • Melanie Chisholm, English pop singer-songwriter[78]
  • Agatha Christie, English crime writer[79]
  • Winston Churchill, former British Prime Minister[80]
  • Eric Clapton, English musician[81]
  • Montgomery Clift, American actor[82]
  • George Clooney, American actor[83]
  • Henri-Georges Clouzot, French film director[84]
  • Kurt Cobain, American musician (Nirvana)[85]
  • Leonard Cohen, Canadian singer-songwriter[86]
  • Phil Collins, English musician, drummer for Genesis[87]
  • John Coltrane, American jazz saxophonist[88]
  • Joseph Conrad, Polish writer[89]
  • Catherine Cookson, English novelist[90]
  • Calvin Coolidge, 30th President of the United States[91]
  • Billy Corgan, American musician (The Smashing Pumpkins)[92]
  • Jeb Corliss, American professional skydiver and BASE jumper[93]
  • Chris Cornell, American musician (Soundgarden, Audioslave)[94]
  • Courteney Cox, American actress[95]
  • Sheryl Crow, American singer-songwriter[96]
  • Rivers Cuomo, American musician (Weezer)[97]
  • Ian Curtis, English musician (lead singer of Joy Division)[98]

D

  • Tessa Dahl, English author and former actress; daughter of novelist Roald Dahl[99][100]
  • Romeo Dallaire, Canadian general, senator and humanitarian[101]
  • Rodney Dangerfield, American comedian and actor[102]
  • Charles Darwin, British naturalist, geologist and biologist[103]
  • Larry David, American actor, writer, comedian and producer[104]
  • Pete Davidson, American actor and comedian[105]
  • Miles Davis, American jazz trumpeter and composer[106]
  • Jonathan Davis, American singer and musician, lead vocalist for Korn[107]
  • Shane Dawson, American Youtuber, comedian, director, actor, and musician[108]
  • Osamu Dazai, Japanese author[109]
  • Dead, Swedish-born Norwegian singer and musician, lead vocalist for Mayhem and Morbid[110]
  • Deadmau5, Canadian DJ and music producer[111]
  • Edgar Degas, French painter[112]
  • Ellen DeGeneres, American comedian and talk show host[113]
  • Rob Delaney, American comedian, actor, writer, and political activist[114]
  • Cara Delevingne, English fashion model, actress, and singer[115]
  • Alain Delon, French-Swiss actor[116]
  • Denice Denton, American scientist and academic administrator[117]
  • John Denver, American musician[118]
  • DeMar DeRozan, American basketball player for the San Antonio Spurs[119]
  • Diana, Princess of Wales, a member of the British royal family[120]
  • Philip K. Dick, American author, known for science fiction novels such as A Scanner Darkly, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, and The Man in the High Castle.[121]
  • Charles Dickens, British writer and social critic[122]
  • Barry Dickins, Australian novelist and playwright; wrote a memoir about his battle with depression[123][124]
  • Emily Dickinson, American poet[125]
  • Monty Don, English television presenter, writer and speaker on horticulture[126]
  • Graeme Dott, Scottish professional snooker player[127]
  • Kirk Douglas, American actor.[128]
  • Nick Drake, British musician[129]
  • Doug Duncan, American politician[37]
  • Kirsten Dunst, American-German actress[130]
  • Bob Dylan, American singer-songwriter, poet and artist[131]

E

  • Thomas Eagleton, U.S. Senator from Missouri[132]
  • Christopher Eccleston, English actor[133]
  • Blake Edwards, American film director, screenwriter and producer[134]
  • Richey Edwards, guitarist and lyricist (Manic Street Preachers)[135]
  • Billie Eilish, American singer-songwriter[136]
  • Harlan Ellison, American science fiction writer[137]
  • Eminem, American hip hop artist[138]
  • Robert Enke, German football player[139]
  • Chris Evans, American actor[27]
  • James Dallas Egbert III, American college student.[140]

F

  • Chris Farley, American actor and comedian[141]
  • William Faulkner, American author[142]
  • Gabriel Faure, French Romantic composer, organist, pianist and teacher[143]
  • Federico Fellini, Italian film director.[144]
  • Craig Ferguson, Scottish-American talk show host[145]
  • Paul Feyerabend, Austrian philosopher of science[146]
  • Lupe Fiasco, American rapper[147]
  • F. Scott Fitzgerald, American author[148]
  • Robert FitzRoy, English officer of the Royal Navy and scientist[149]
  • C. B. Forgotston, American lawyer and state government watchdog[150]
  • Michel Foucault, French philosopher[151]
  • Al Franken, former U.S. Senator from Minnesota[152]
  • David Freese, American former baseball player[153]
  • Robert Frost, American poet[154]
  • Stephen Fry, English comedian, actor and writer[155]
  • Tyson Fury, British boxer[156]

G

  • Peter Gabriel, British singer and band member of Genesis[157]
  • Geoff Gallop, Australian politician[158]
  • Judy Garland, American vaudevillian, actress and singer[159]
  • Helen Garner, Australian writer[160]
  • Romain Gary, French-Lithuanian-Polish novelist and diplomat[161]
  • Alessandro Gassman, Italian actor.[162]
  • Vittorio Gassman, Italian actor.[163]
  • Gaston Gaudio, Argentine tennis player and 2004 French Open champion[164]
  • Carlo Gesualdo, Italian composer, diagnosed after murdering his wife, her lover, and his own son[165]
  • Paul Getty, British philanthropist[166]
  • Donald Glover, American actor, comedian, singer, writer, producer, director, rapper, and DJ[167]
  • Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German author[168]
  • Selena Gomez, American singer and actress[169]
  • John Goodman, American actor[170]
  • Joseph Gordon-Levitt, American actor[171]
  • Tipper Gore, Former Second Lady of the United States[148]
  • Michael Gothard, British actor[172]
  • Francisco Goya, Spanish painter[173]
  • Kelsey Grammer, American actor[174]
  • Bob Grant, British actor and writer known for playing Jack Harper in On the Buses[175]
  • Cary Grant, British-American actor.[176]
  • Spalding Gray, American actor and writer[177]
  • Graham Greene, British writer[178]
  • Zack Greinke, American MLB pitcher[179]
  • Ken Griffey Jr., American MLB player[180]
  • Eddie Griffin, American NBA player[181]
  • Eddie Guerrero, American professional wrestler[182]

H

  • Jon Hamm, American actor[183]
  • Darrell Hammond, American actor and impressionist[184]
  • Tony Hancock, English actor and comedian[185]
  • Jeff Hanneman, American guitarist and songwriter[186]
  • Glen Hansard, Irish singer-songwriter and actor[187]
  • Andrew Hansen, Australian comedian (part of The Chaser team)[188]
  • Arin Hanson, American Internet personality, animator, comedian, voice actor and musician[189]
  • Johann Hari, British journalist[190]
  • Rolf Harris, Australian entertainer and artist[191]
  • Bret Hart, Canadian professional wrestler[192]
  • Herbert Hart, British philosopher[193]
  • Elizabeth Hartman, American actress[194]
  • Friedrich August Hayek, Austrian economist[195]
  • Ernest Hemingway, American writer[122]
  • Margaux Hemingway, American actress; granddaughter of Ernest Hemingway[196]
  • Taraji P. Henson, American actress[197]
  • Victor Heringer, Brazilian novelist and poet[198]
  • Bill Hicks, American comedian and musician[199]
  • Missy Higgins, Australian singer-songwriter[200]
  • Geoffrey Hill, English poet[201]
  • Hulk Hogan, American professional wrestler[202]
  • Tuomas Holopainen, Finnish songwriter and keyboardist of Nightwish[203]
  • Josh Homme, American musician, frontman of Queens of the Stone Age[204]
  • Sir Anthony Hopkins, British actor[205]
  • Hopsin, American rapper and hip-hop artist[206]
  • Vladimir Horowitz, American pianist and composer[207]
  • Robert E. Howard, American author of pulp magazines, known for his creations Conan the Barbarian, Solomon Kane, Kull of Atlantis, and others.[208]
  • Daniel Howell, British YouTuber[209]
  • Steve Hughes, Australian comedian and black metal drummer[210]
  • Sam Humphrey, Australian actor known for playing Charles Stratton in the musical film The Greatest Showman[211]
  • Michael Hutchence, Australian singer-songwriter[212]
  • Sarah Hyland, American actress known for playing Haley Dunphy in Modern Family[213]

I

  • Janis Ian, American singer-songwriter[214]
  • Gabriel Iglesias, American comedian and actor[215]
  • Natalie Imbruglia, Australian singer-songwriter, actress and model[216]
  • Jack Irons, American musician, drummer for the bands Eleven, Pearl Jam and Red Hot Chili Peppers[217]

J

  • Janet Jackson, American singer[218]
  • Michael Jackson, American singer and entertainer[219]
  • William James, American philosopher and psychologist[220]
  • Jim Jefferies, Australian comedian[221]
  • Richard Jeni, American comedian and actor[222]
  • Alexa Ray Joel, American singer-songwriter[223]
  • Billy Joel, American musician[224]
  • Daniel Johns, Australian musician[225]
  • Agnete Johnsen, Norwegian singer who represented Norway in the Eurovision Song Contest 2016[226]
  • Dwayne Johnson, American actor and professional wrestler[227]
  • Samuel Johnson, British lexicographer, biographer, essayist and poet[228]
  • Daniel Johnston, American musician[229]
  • Angelina Jolie, American actress[230]
  • Bruce Jones, English television actor Coronation Street[231]
  • Kevan Jones, Labour Party MP for North Durham[232]
  • Tyler Joseph, American musician[233][234]
  • Ashley Judd, American actress[235]
  • Jung Da Bin, Korean actress[236]

K

  • Franz Kafka, Czech writer[237]
  • Antonie Kamerling, Dutch actor[238]
  • Oliver Kamm, British journalist[239]
  • Jason Kander, American politician, Former Secretary of State of Missouri[240]
  • Sarah Kane, English playwright[241]
  • Hamid Karzai, Afghan President[242]
  • Charlie Kaufman, American screenwriter[243]
  • Susanna Kaysen, American writer[244]
  • Buster Keaton, American film director and actor.[245]
  • John Keats, British poet[246]
  • Grace Kelly, American actress.[247]
  • Jack Kerouac, American poet and novelist[248]
  • Marian Keyes, Irish writer[249]
  • Alicia Keys, American singer-songwriter[250]
  • Kid Cudi, American hip hop artist[251]
  • Anthony Kiedis, American musician, lead singer for funk rock band Red Hot Chili Peppers[252]
  • Soren Kierkegaard, Danish philosopher[253]
  • Stephen King, American author[254]
  • Ernst Ludwig Kirchner, German painter[255]
  • John Kirwan, New Zealand rugby player, former All Black, currently coach of Japan national rugby team[256]
  • Takeshi Kitano, Japanese film director.[257]
  • Hayley Kiyoko, American singer and actress[258]
  • Kool Keith, American hip hop artist[259]
  • Shane Koyczan, Canadian writer and spoken word artist[260]
  • Joey Kramer, American musician (Aerosmith)[261]
  • Stanley Kubrick, American film director.[262]
  • Meena Kumari, Indian film actress[263]
  • Akira Kurosawa, Japanese film director[264]

L

  • Alan Ladd, American actor[265]
  • Lady Gaga, American singer-songwriter and actress[266]
  • Kendrick Lamar, American hip hop artist[267]
  • Michael Landsberg, Canadian sportscaster[268]
  • Hugh Laurie, British actor[269]
  • Denis Lawson, British actor[270]
  • Jenny Lawson, American author and blogger[271]
  • Lecrae, American hip hop artist[272]
  • Lee Joon-gi, Korean actor[273]
  • John Lennon, MBE, British singer-songwriter[274]
  • Aaron Lennon, English footballer[275]
  • Neil Lennon, Northern Irish footballer[276]
  • Sergio Leone, Italian film director.[277]
  • David Letterman, American comedian and television presenter[278]
  • Meriwether Lewis, American explorer[279]
  • Richard Lewis, American comedian and actor[280]
  • Gary Lightbody, Northern Irish singer of Snow Patrol[281]
  • Thomas Ligotti, American horror author[282]
  • Lil' Chris, English singer-songwriter[283]
  • Abraham Lincoln, American lawyer and politician, 16th President of the United States[284]
  • Mary Todd Lincoln, First Lady of the United States[285]
  • Jean-Francois Lisee, French Canadian politician, former Leader of the Opposition of Quebec[286]
  • Carlo Lizzani, Italian film director.[287]
  • Heather Locklear, American actress[288]
  • Oscar Lopez, Chilean-Canadian guitarist[289]
  • Demi Lovato, American singer and actress[290]
  • Courtney Love, American singer and actress (Hole)[291]
  • HP Lovecraft, American author, known for his Cthulhu Mythos and for coining the term 'Lovecraftian horror'[292]

M

  • Claudio Magris, Italian writer[293]
  • Gustav Mahler, Austrian composer[294]
  • Rafe Mair, Canadian broadcaster and cabinet minister[295]
  • Howie Mandel, Canadian comedian, actor, and television host[296]
  • Marilyn Manson, American singer, songwriter, musician, composer, actor, painter, author, and former music journalist[297][298]
  • Shirley Manson, Scottish singer of Garbage[299]
  • Vinicius Gageiro Marques, Brazilian singer-songwriter and photographer, known as Yonlu[300]
  • John Marsden, Australian novelist and educator known for the Tomorrow series[301][302]
  • Dave Mason, Australian musician known for Quasimodo's Dream[303]
  • Heather Matarazzo, American actress[304]
  • Henri Matisse, French painter[305]
  • Guy de Maupassant, French writer[306]
  • Brian May, British guitarist[307]
  • Vladimir Mayakovsky, Russian writer and poet[308]
  • Paul McCartney, English musician, former bassist of The Beatles[309]
  • Garry McDonald, Australian actor known for Mother and Son and The Norman Gunston Show[310][311]
  • Ewan McGregor, Scottish actor[312]
  • Duff McKagan, American hard rock bassist[313]
  • Herman Melville, American writer[314]
  • Lionel Messi, Argentine footballer[315]
  • Paul Merton, English comedian[316]
  • Charlotte Mew, British poet[317]
  • Toshiro Mifune, Japanese actor.[318]
  • Michelangelo, Italian painter and sculptor[319]
  • John Stuart Mill, British political philosopher[320]
  • Spike Milligan, Irish comedian and writer[321]
  • Yukio Mishima, Japanese author[322]
  • Kylie Minogue, Australian singer[323]
  • Joan Miro, Spanish painter[324]
  • Frunzik Mkrtchyan, Armenian actor[325]
  • Moby, American DJ and musician[326]
  • Mario Monicelli, Italian film director.[327]
  • Marilyn Monroe, American actress and sex symbol[328]
  • Jocelyn Moorhouse, Australian screenwriter and film director[329]
  • Alanis Morissette, Canadian musician and songwriter[330]
  • Jon Moxley, American professional wrestler[331]
  • Morrissey, British singer and former frontman of The Smiths[332]
  • Jim Morrison, American singer, poet, and frontman of The Doors[333]
  • Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Austrian composer[334]
  • Edvard Munch, Norwegian painter[335]
  • Bill Murray, American actor[336]
  • Devon Murray, Irish actor known for playing Seamus Finnigan in the Harry Potter film series[337]
  • Les Murray, Australian poet[338][339]

N

  • Isaac Newton, British physicist[340]
  • Kim Nam-joon, South Korean rapper, known as RM[341]
  • Matthew Newton, Australian actor[342]
  • Rhys Nicholson, Australian comedian[343]
  • Friedrich Nietzsche, German philosopher[122]
  • Trevor Noah, South African comedian[344]

O

  • Graeme Obree, British cyclist[345]
  • Conan O'Brien, American television host, comedian, writer and producer[346]
  • Bill Oddie, British comedy performer and naturalist[347]
  • Rosie O'Donnell, American comedian, actress, author, and television personality[348]
  • Fiona O'Loughlin, Australian comedian[349]
  • Eugene O'Neill, American playwright[350]
  • Jahseh Onfroy, American rapper and musician[351]
  • Robert Oppenheimer, American physicist ("father of the atomic bomb")[352]
  • Marie Osmond, American actress, musician and singer[353]
  • Ronnie O'Sullivan, English snooker player[354]
  • Patton Oswalt, American comedian and actor[355]

P

  • Chris Packham, British wildlife presenter[356]
  • Jared Padalecki, American actor[357]
  • Deepika Padukone, Bollywood actress[358][359]
  • Gwyneth Paltrow, American actress[360]
  • Charlie Parker, American jazz musician[361]
  • Dolly Parton, American country singer and actress[362]
  • Simon Pegg, English actor[363]
  • Michael Phelps, American Olympic swimmer[364]
  • Ryan Phillippe, American actor[365]
  • T. Boone Pickens, American business leader and hedge fund manager[366]
  • Janos Pilinszky, Hungarian poet[367]
  • Maurizio Pisciottu, Italian rapper, known as Salmo[368]
  • Brad Pitt, American actor[369]
  • Sylvia Plath, American writer[122]
  • Edgar Allan Poe, American poet and writer[122]
  • Jackson Pollock, American painter[370]
  • Jan Potocki, Polish nobleman and writer, author of The Manuscript Found in Saragossa[371]
  • Darrell Powers, American World War II veteran[372]
  • George R. Price, American population geneticist[373]
  • Charley Pride, American country singer[374]
  • Richard Pryor, American comedian[375]
  • Bill Pulsipher, American baseball player[376]

Q

  • Qiao Renliang, Chinese singer and actor[377]

R

  • Sergei Rachmaninoff, Russian composer and pianist[378]
  • Bob Rae, Canadian politician, former Premier of Ontario[379]
  • Jason Raize, American actor and singer[380]
  • Charlotte Rampling, English actress[381]
  • Ayn Rand, Russian-American novelist and philosopher[382]
  • Dean Ray, Australian singer and songwriter[383]
  • Lili Reinhart, American actress[384]
  • Keanu Reeves, Canadian actor and musician[385]
  • Dan Reynolds, American musician[386]
  • Trent Reznor, American musician[387]
  • Christina Ricci, American actress[148]
  • Anne Rice, American writer[388]
  • Rainer Maria Rilke, Austrian poet[389]
  • Jake Roberts, American professional wrestler[390]
  • Cristiano Ronaldo, Portuguese footballer[391]
  • John D. Rockefeller, American industrialist[392]
  • Richard Rodgers, American composer[393]
  • Danny Rose, English footballer[394]
  • Ruby Rose, Australian model, DJ, recording artist, actress, television presenter, and former MTV VJ[395]
  • Mark Rothko, American painter[396]
  • Hans Rott, Austrian composer[397]
  • Mickey Rourke, American actor[398]
  • Ronda Rousey, American professional wrestler, actress, author, mixed martial artist and judoka[399]
  • Jessica Rowe, Australian journalist and television presenter[400][401]
  • J. K. Rowling, British writer[402][403]
  • Bertrand Russell, British mathematician and philosopher[404][405]
  • Winona Ryder, American actress[406]

S

  • Antoine de Saint-Exupery, French author of The Little Prince[407]
  • J. D. Salinger, American author of The Catcher in the Rye[408]
  • Jim Salinger, New Zealand climate change scientist[409]
  • Matthew Santoro, Canadian YouTube personality[410]
  • Siegfried Sassoon, British poet and soldier[411]
  • Terry Sawchuk, Canadian goaltender[412]
  • Charles M. Schulz, American cartoonist[148]
  • Robert Schumann, German composer[413]
  • Martin Scorsese, American-Italian filmmaker[414]
  • Jean Seberg, American actress[415]
  • Jerry Seinfeld, American comedian[416]
  • Hubert Selby Jr., American writer[417]
  • Peter Sellers, British actor and comedian[418]
  • John Sessions, British actor and comedian[419]
  • Brian Sewell, English art critic[420]
  • Anne Sexton, American poet[421]
  • Brooke Shields, American actress[422]
  • Gabourey Sidibe, American actress[423]
  • Sarah Silverman, American comedian[424]
  • Clifford Ian Simpson, American rapper, known as Kevin Abstract[425]
  • Frank Sinatra, American singer[426]
  • Walter Slezak, Austrian-American actor.[427]
  • Elliott Smith, American musician[428]
  • Robert Smith, British singer-songwriter and musician[429]
  • Brittany Snow, American actress[430]
  • Andrew Solomon, American author[431]
  • Britney Spears, American pop singer[432]
  • Rick Springfield, Australian singer-songwriter[433]
  • Bruce Springsteen, American singer-songwriter[434][435]
  • Charles Spurgeon, British Reformed Baptist Preacher[436]
  • Nicolas de Stael, French painter of Russian origin[437]
  • Aaron Stainthorpe, British singer of My Dying Bride[438]
  • Sylvester Stallone, American actor, director and screenwriter[439]
  • Layne Staley, American musician (Alice in Chains, Mad Season)[440]
  • Vivian Stanshall, British humourist and musician (Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band)[441]
  • Peter Steele, American musician[442][443]
  • Ben Steel, Australian actor and director[444]
  • Gwen Stefani, American pop singer[445]
  • Rod Steiger, American actor[446]
  • Sting, British musician and songwriter[447]
  • Michael Stipe, American musician, frontman for R.E.M.[448]
  • Lindsey Stirling, American violinist[449]
  • Stormzy, British rapper and grime artist[450]
  • August Strindberg, Swedish playwright, novelist, poet, essayist and painter[451]
  • William Styron, American writer[452]
  • Earl Sweatshirt, American rapper[453]
  • Magda Szubanski, Australian actress and comedian[454]

T

  • Tablo (Daniel Armand Lee), Korean-Canadian hip hop artist (Epik High)[455]
  • Tadao Takashima, Japanese actor and jazz musician[456]
  • Amy Tan, American writer[457]
  • Quentin Tarantino, American film director and screenwriter[458]
  • Catherine Tate, English comedian and actress[459]
  • Channing Tatum, American actor[460]
  • Corey Taylor, American singer of Slipknot and Stone Sour[461]
  • James Taylor, American singer-songwriter[462]
  • Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, Russian composer[463]
  • Charlize Theron, American actress and producer[464]
  • Emma Thompson, British actress and screenwriter[465][466]
  • Hunter S. Thompson, American journalist and author[467]
  • Josh Tillman, American musician[468]
  • Stian Thorbjornsen, Norwegian singer, member of the Norwegian comedy music group Staysman & Lazz[469]
  • Ian Thorpe, Australian swimmer[470]
  • Uma Thurman, American actress[471]
  • T.I., American rapper[472]
  • The Notorious B.I.G., American rapper[473]
  • Ugo Tognazzi, Italian actor[474]
  • Leo Tolstoy, Russian writer[475]
  • Georg Trakl, Austrian poet[476]
  • Marcus Trescothick, England cricketer[477]
  • Lars von Trier, Danish film director[478]
  • Francois Truffaut, French film director[479]
  • Ivanka Trump, American model and First Daughter and advisor to the President of the United States[480]
  • Matthew Tuck, Welsh musician, frontman of Bullet for My Valentine[481]
  • Mark Twain, American writer[122]
  • Mike Tyson, American boxer[482]

V

  • Ville Valo, Finnish musician, vocalist of HIM[483]
  • Vincent van Gogh, Dutch artist[484][485]
  • Eddie Vedder, American musician, vocalist of Pearl Jam[486]
  • Justin Vernon, American musician, vocalist of Bon Iver[487]
  • Alvaro Vitali, Italian actor[488]
  • Ned Vizzini, American writer[489]
  • Gian Maria Volonte, Italian actor[490]
  • Kurt Vonnegut, American writer[491]
  • Joey Votto, Canadian baseball player[492]

W

  • Tom Waits, American singer, musician and actor[493]
  • David Foster Wallace, American writer[494]
  • Mike Wallace, American journalist on 60 Minutes[495]
  • David Walliams, British actor, writer and comedian[496]
  • Felicity Ward, Australian comedian[497]
  • Kerry Washington, American actress[498]
  • Rosie Waterland, Australian writer and comedian[499]
  • Roger Waters, English musician, former bassist of Pink Floyd[500]
  • Evelyn Waugh, British novelist and journalist[501]
  • Ruby Wax, American actress, mental health campaigner, lecturer, and author[502][503]
  • Gerard Way, American singer and comic book writer, former lead vocalist of My Chemical Romance[504]
  • Andrew Lloyd Webber, British composer and impresario[505]
  • Otto Weininger, Austrian philosopher[506]
  • Florence Welch, British musician, singer and songwriter[507]
  • Jonathon Welch, Australian opera singer and choirmaster for the Choir of Hope and Inspiration[508]
  • Pete Wentz, bassist and lyricist for rock band Fall Out Boy[509]
  • Delonte West, American basketball player[510]
  • Jerry West, American basketball player and executive[511]
  • Kanye West, American rapper[512]
  • James Whale, English film director[513]
  • Wil Wheaton, American actor and author[514]
  • Dan White, American politician convicted of the manslaughter of Harvey Milk and George Moscone[515]
  • Walt Whitman, American poet[516]
  • Kevin Whitrick, British electrical engineer[517]
  • Dar Williams, American folk singer[518]
  • Robbie Williams, British pop singer[519]
  • Robin Williams, American comedian and actor[520]
  • Steven Williams, YouTube personality and video game commentator[521]
  • Tennessee Williams, American playwright[522]
  • William Carlos Williams, American poet[523]
  • Alan Wilson, American musician (Canned Heat)[524]
  • Brian Wilson, American musician (Beach Boys)[525]
  • Owen Wilson, American comedian and actor[526]
  • Gregory Wilton, Australian politician[527]
  • Dean Windass, British football player[528]
  • Oprah Winfrey, American talk show host[529]
  • Ludwig Wittgenstein, Austrian-British philosopher[530]
  • Ed Wood, American film director.[531]
  • Hugo Wolf, Austrian composer[532]
  • Lewis Wolpert, British developmental biologist, author and broadcaster[533]
  • Virginia Woolf, British novelist[534]
  • Elizabeth Wurtzel, American writer[535]

Y

  • Yang Yang, Chinese operatic tenor and music professor[536]
  • Michael Yardy, English cricketer[537]
  • Boris Yeltsin, first President of Russia[538]
  • Min Yoon-gi, South Korean rapper, known as Suga[539]
  • Thom Yorke, English musician, lead singer of Radiohead[540]

See also

  • List of people affected by bipolar disorder
  • List of people with schizophrenia
  • List of people with Bell's palsy

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list of celebrities with bipolar
13 Famous People With Bipolar Disorder

Bipolar disorder, formerly known as manic depression, affects men and women equally, with about 5.6 million adult Americans (2.6 percent of the population) diagnosed with the condition including many famous people.

The erratic behavior of some celebrities withmental illnessis often attributed to this condition, sincebipolar disorderis characterized by disabling mood shifts during which a person goes from an energetic, manic phase to a low, depressed one.

The mood swings of bipolar disorder may be mild or extreme. They can come on slowly or quickly within hours to days. Usually diagnosed in the teenage years to mid-twenties, bipolar disorder can happen at any age and is more prevalent in those who have a family history of the condition.

There are two common subtypes of bipolar disorder: bipolar I and bipolar II. There are other subtypes, most notably cyclothymia, in which patients have depressive and hypomanic symptoms but dont meet the full criteria for either a major depressive episode or a hypomanic episode.

With bipolar I disorder, people will experience at least one manic episode in their lifetime, and will likely also experience episodes of major depression. You may alternate between extreme states of depression and intense mania. With the mania, you may be unusually elated, hyperactive, and exceptionally talkative, with no need for rest or sleep for days. You may have irritability, racing thoughts, distractibility, and engagement in impulsive or risky behaviors. People with bipolar I disorder may also experience psychotic symptoms including hallucinations, paranoia, or grandiose delusions. This disorder often results in psychiatric hospitalization, and requires long-term treatment with medication. Once bipolar I begins, it characteristically continues throughout a persons life.

Bipolar II disorder is not a milder form of bipolar I disorder, but a related diagnosis. With bipolar II disorder, people will have at least one episode of major depression and at least one episode of hypomania, which is similar to mania but with less severe symptoms and shorter duration. While both mania and hypomania exhibit grandiose mood and reduced need for sleep, hypomania is a period of incredible energy, charm, and productivity, which is often associated with super-achievers.

Hypomania may be good for some people, but for many people it is uncomfortable, disruptive, and problematic (though not to the degree of a full manic episode, by definition). Manic and hypomanic episodes have the same set of symptoms, and for both you need to have either irritable or elevated mood and increased energy plus three to four additional symptoms, which can include pressured speech, decreased need for sleep, grandiosity, distractability, racing thoughts, increase in goal-directed activity, or risky/impulsive behaviors.

Hypomanic episodes last at least four days and are not severe enough to result in hospitalization or significant functional impairment, and do not have associated psychotic features. Some people do function well during these periods and there is a historical association between bipolar spectrum illnesses and artists; however, many do not do well during hypomania, and then also suffer the major depressive episodes. Both bipolar I and bipolar II disorder require treatment.

According to the Mayo Clinic, the exact cause of bipolar disorder is unknown. But several factors may play a role, including:

  • Physical changes in the brainBoth biochemical and environmental factors play a role in bipolar disorder. Researchers think that imbalances in neurotransmitters, the brain chemicals that regulate mood, may trigger this condition. While the meaning of these brain changes is not known, this discovery may help identify bipolar causes in the future.
  • GeneticsExperts believe that of all mental health problems, bipolar disorder has the greatest linkage to genes. Bipolar disorder is more common in people who have a first-degree relative, such as a sibling or parent, with the condition.

Risk factors for an episode of bipolar disorder may include having times of high stress, such as the death of a loved one or another traumatic event. Drug and alcohol use are also often associated with bipolar disorder.

Though it's difficult to confirm if famous people have bipolar disorder, this condition crops up more often among artists, singers, poets, and celebrities. Many celebrities with mental illness, both now and in years past, are thought to have had bipolar disorder.Here's a closer look at 13 famous people with bipolar disorder.

Additional reporting by Barbara Kean andMaura Corrigan.



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This page was voted on for deletion at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of people believed to have been affected by bipolar disorder. The consensus was to keep it. dbenbenn | talk 01:35, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)


This list is very accurate, most if not all are cited with credible sources. It is believable, as 1% of the population has bipolar disorder.


As for Jim Carrey, mentioned below, he has been very open about it, so he's official, and is on lithium these days. He's told his story in several interviews.


This list is preposterous. There's no way most of these people have/had bipolar disorder.


Can we split this list between people who are known to have bipolar, and people who are just theorized to have it? For example, I believe Margot Kidder has said she has it, while I doubt that Beethoven was diagnosed. -Branddobbe 08:29, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

I second the above comment. I would love to see this split. I think we need a list of people who have been confrimed as having this disorder and a separate speculative list of people who may have this disorder. I would hate to have someone decide what physcological disorder I suffered from after I died. p17265.125.163.221 10:44, 30 December 2005 (UTC)


1.Adolf Hitler? Really? Recently I read a quite new book written by a psychologist (not psychoanalyst) and there were no statements about mania. I think Hitler had several disorders (sadistic/antisocial/narcisstic/borderline) but I doubt he was suffering under bipolar disorder 2. The musician sting maybe suffers under bipolar disorder. 3. Are their facts or arguments on bjoerk? Rabauz 12:08, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Jim Carrey? Ben Stiller? Bipolar does not equate to eccentrics. The term bipolar seems to be used very loosely in this article, I suggest you review.


For a condition that affects 1% of a population this is a suspiciously comprehensive list of celebrities. Among others, I strongly doubt George Dubya (is this appropriate humour for an encylcopaedia?) Bush suffers from manic depression; would a man who has been President of the USA for 4 years be without press coverage of lapses of mental condition? A lot of celebrities will be reluctant to shake off spurious rumours relating to their mental health, because as is well known: there is no such thing as bad publicity. --AeneasMacNeill 03:27, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)


I agree with the above comments. Without attribution or evidence, this article is speculative nonsense. DocSigma 05:29, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)


In Spector's case, he admitted it in the Daily Telegraph interview.

There are numerous reliable sources available throughout the internet that reliably list famous people that have/are though to have had bipolar disorder. The same goes for a wealth of different highly-regarded books by leaders in the study of bipolar disorder (Touched with Fire, by K. Redfield Jamison being one ideal example). In none of these are listed numerous names that are featured in the Wikipedia article. This is innapropriate fun on one level, but dangerous disinformation on another. I can chuckle at the innapropriate-yet-good humored claim that a personality like George W. Bush suffers from manic-depression - it's an obvious fallacy to anyone but a complete beginner in the study of the disorder. But the claim that Hitler was believed to have Bipolar is something different - something not at all obvious to many and a statement that could very feasibly have a great, misleading, and intensely negative impact on people's conception of a disorder that already gets enough societal stigma. I think this touches something beyond a practical joke - it's probably a good example of the types of subtle misinformation that could make something like Wikipedia dangerous (I'm of course exaggerating to a rediculous extent on this example, but still - you can see the point I'm trying to make).

  • Right, but, see, there's nothing funny about bipolar disorder. At all. DocSigma 03:31, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Err... So when do we start deleting things? None of us can actually go through and disconfirm, but I bet there are only sources for about 3 people on this list.

Vote for Deletion

I added this to be voted on for deletion Nick Catalano 01:51, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ruthless edit

I have decided to be bold. I have change the introductory sentence to read:

This is a list of people who have been cited by a credible source as probably having bipolar disorder. Each entry is accompanied by the source.

I have moved the unsourced entries here. Which, currently, is all of them. In my opinion each should be added back into the article only when it can be accompanied by a reasonable citation.

This is a list of people who have been cited by a credible source probably having bipolar disorder. Each entry is accompanied by the source. I agree. Unfortunately many living individuals fear the stigma more than the illness. Michael Spensieri Here is the unsourced list:


A

  • Buzz Aldrin
  • Adam Ant (Stuart Goddard)
  • [[Abbott Paul]

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/features/story/0,,1407328,00.html

B

  • Charles Baudelaire
  • Thomas Lovell Beddoes
  • Ludwig van Beethoven
  • Maurice Benard
  • Hector Berlioz
  • William Blake
  • James Boswell
  • Tim Burton
  • George Gordon Byron

C

  • Gia Carangi
  • Jim Carrey
  • Thomas Chatterton
  • Winston Churchill
  • John Clare
  • Samuel Clemens
  • Rosemary Clooney
  • Kurt Cobain
  • Hartley Coleridge
  • Samuel Taylor Coleridge
  • Francis Ford Coppola
  • William Cowper
  • Hart Crane
  • Bing Crosby
  • Darby Crash

D

  • DMX - (Rapper/Actor)
  • Rodney Dangerfield
  • Jean Claude van Damme
  • George Darley
  • Ray Davies
  • Gaetano Donizetti
  • George W. Bush
  • Patty Duke

E

  • T.S. Eliot
  • Eminem (Marshall Mathers III)

F

  • William Faulkner
  • Robert Fergusson
  • Carrie Fisher
  • F. Scott Fitzgerald
  • Larry Flynt
  • Connie Francis
  • Saint Francis of Assisi

G

  • Peter Gabriel
  • Paul Gauguin
  • Vincent van Gogh

H

  • Linda Hamilton
  • Ernest Hemingway
  • Jimi Hendrix
  • Hermann Hesse
  • Adolf Hitler
  • Gerard Manley Hopkins
  • Victor Hugo

J

  • Henry James
  • William James
  • Samuel Johnson

K

  • Sarah Kane
  • Jack Kerouac
  • Margot Kidder

L

  • Vivien Leigh
  • Meriwether Lewis
  • Vachel Lindsay
  • Robert Lowell

M

  • James Clarence Mangan
  • Herman Melville
  • Edna St. Vincent Millay
  • Spike Milligan
  • Marilyn Monroe
  • Edvard Munch
  • Alfred de Musset

N

  • Florence Nightingale

O

  • Phil Ochs

P

  • Jane Pauley
  • Jimmy Piersall
  • Sylvia Plath
  • Edgar Allan Poe
  • Jaco Pastorius
  • Jackson Pollock
  • Ezra Pound

R

  • Trent Reznor
  • Theodore Roethke
  • Axl Rose
  • Mark Rothko

S

  • Robert Schumann
  • Anne Sexton
  • Mary Shelley
  • Percy Bysshe Shelley
  • Frank Sinatra
  • Christopher Smart
  • Phil Spector
  • Ben Stiller

T

  • Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
  • Sara Teasdale
  • Alfred Lord Tennyson
  • Dylan Thomas
  • Ted Turner

W

  • Tom Waits
  • Peter Warlock
  • Paul Weller
  • Walt Whitman
  • Robin Williams
  • Jonathan Winters
  • Mary Wollstonecraft
  • Virginia Woolf
  • Scott Weiland

A creditable source.

On the main bipolar disorder page is a link to | a list of famous persons with mental disorders from the national alliance for the mentally ill. It contains about 20 names which I will transfer to this list in the next few minutes. LukeSurl 18:45, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

    • Interestingly enough I've also found the list which the creator of this page copyed and pasted LukeSurl 19:47, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
      • Wait a minute. Many of the people on the NAMI list are not described as suffering from "bipolar disorder:" Abraham Lincoln, "incapacitating depressions;" Lionel Aldridge, "schizophrenia;" Eugene O'Neill, "clinical depression;" Leon Tolstoy, unspecified "mental illness;" Nijinksy, "schizophrenia;" Keats, unspecified, "mental illness"; Tennessee Williams, "clinical depression;" Hemingway, "suicidal depression;" Sylvia Plath, "clinical depression;" Michelangelo, unspecified "mental illness;" Vivien Leigh, unspecified "mental illness." The iridis site is a Wikipedia mirror, check the bottom of the page. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:01, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Sources Schmources

Alright, so we found some websites that have similarly preposterous lists... We might even be able to find some print sources that say the same thing. But these claims are all still terribly speculative. Just because somebody else has written these lists before doesn't make them established facts. We certainly wouldn't see lists like this in a regular encyclopedia.

A correction

It has been written "The frequency of artistic geniuses in the list may also be a result of their being more famous than others suffering from bipolar disorder". Such a statement is logically flawed. Firstly, there are two critera to being on this list: (1) Be famous (2) be believed to be Bipolar. I hope you will agree that it is undeniable that there are a greater proportion of artistic geniuses on this list (meeting condition one and two) then there are in the general population of "famous people" (those meeting condition one). Hence this list shows a significant weighting towards artistic geniuses for some reason, but not because there are vastly more artistic geniuses then there are persons famous for other reasons (as is the logical conclusion to this statement). LukeSurl 17:57, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

...that's all good and well, but the list is still speculative bull-shit.

Bipolar world - copying from Wikipedia?

In my opinion Bipolar World is a list of currently doubtful validity. It might have copied from Wikipedia without attributing its source. If this is true we are basing at least part of this list on the "evidence" of a website with doubtful ethics.

Evidence:

Bipolar World's entry on Leo Tolstoy (please scroll down) [1] Section in Wikipedia article on Leo Tolstoy [2] My request from the Wikipedia author to confirm non-copyvio status [3] His/her assertion of not having plagiarised but accusing Bipolar World of having plagiarised Wikipedia [4]

While Tolstoy is not on our list the point is if the list is produced without adequate care in parts we can check we do not know about the rest.

Conflict of Interest I supported deletion of this article and would still be happier if it was deleted. Refdoc 13:05, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Scary stuff... I personally used a website as a reference for a "fact," was challenged on it, emailed the site and determined that indeed they had gotten it from a much older version of the Wikipedia article, from which it had been deleted as questionable and unsourced. (It was an assertion that Nicolas Chuquet had inconsistently used the words byllion, etc. in its short scale as well as its long scale meaning). As Wikipedia grows, the problem of "independent" sources that are from Wikipedia without obvious attribution is going to increase. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:23, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

What now? Remove all entries supported by that list would be the least IMHO. Refdoc 15:20, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Since I don't plan to put much work into this article myself, my opinion shouldn't count for much. I voted to delete the article unless every entry in it was sourced. LukeSurl promptly put most of them back giving NAMI or BPW as the sources for most entries; later he added the Kay Jamison Touched with Fire entries. (The only entry I personally added was Kay Jamison herself, because she said so and is highly qualified to make that diagnosis!). I consider even the "Touched with Fire" entries to be highly speculative, but they are from an identifiable and reputable source (and traceable, because her book is very detailed and well referenced). I personally consider both the BPW list to border on garbage, because in most cases they do not give their sources. BOth the NAMI and BPW lists seem to be casting a very, very wide net and are extremely vague as to whether there's specific evidence for bipolar disorder, as opposed to clinical depression or other conditions. I'm not happy with the article, but my own view is that sourced is sourced, and readers can judge the quality of the source for themselves. I don't want to get into an edit war over quality of sources. I think that a suitably NPOV caution about the unsourced nature of the BPW list would be in order. I think the right thing to do is not to remove BPW and NAMI entries, but to painstakingly improve them one by one. In most cases, I'm sure that who ever wrote the BPW and NAMI entries lifted them from some source and didn't bother to attribute them, and that the best thing to do would be to gradually replace them with better sources and remove the bogus ones. I strongly feel that in almost every list, short comments improve the item, and the list should be annotated. ("Biographer XYZ uses the term 'bipolar'"), ("Comments in his autobiography about his 'highs and lows'"), etc. In the case of entries supported by several sources, it would be reasonable to put the best one first and the others in parantheses, e.g. "TWF (also BPW, NAMI)" But that's just me. I'm really neutral on this. I'm not going to remove a name on the basis of being badly sourced, but if removed I'm not going to put one back, either. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:52, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No, I think the stuff should go out and should come back only if sourced appropriately. Refdoc 16:07, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Unsourced or poorly evidenced additions

I think the consensus is that no unsourced additions should be made. I have therefore removed the addition of "Charles IV", until evidence for his presumed bipolar disorder is given. Refdoc 08:18, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Agreed. Note that the article itself says: "Below is a list of people who have been cited by a source as probably having bipolar disorder." Dpbsmith (talk) 12:31, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

John Berryman TWF "...Berryman's alcoholism and depression interfered with his ability to give readings, to speak in public, and to work appropriately. In 1972, Berryman's depression led him to ... kill himself" (from Wiki article) This sentence is not sufficient evidence of suffuring from bipolar illness which would require at least one episode of manic illness apart from one or many depressive episodes. Refdoc 08:21, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Presumably, if the TWF (Jamison's Touched with Fire) source is correct, Jamison must have thought there was evidence of bipolar disorder. When I get a chance I'll see what she says about it. I'm not saying that Touched With Fire is an impeccable reference, I'm just saying that Jamison is sufficiently expert that I don't think she would have speculated that a person was bipolar unless she were aware of some evidence for manic episodes. Dpbsmith (talk) 12:29, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Jane Pauley

I thought this was the most glaring omission. She came out with her story in dealing with BP fairly recently, and it has been all over the news in 2004. Likewise, Maurice Benard talked about his situation on Oprah. Mike H 06:32, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)

Fine, and I believe you, but I've removed your current entry: Jane Pauley has spoken on her talk show about her condition. The reason is that the simple statement that she "has spoken on her talk show about her condition" is not citing a source. Unlike your entry for Maurice Benard, which has a very good source. Please dig up some kind of print or web source for Jane Pauley's condition before you reinsert it. You've gotta do better than "it has been all over the news." It probably has, but where? Dpbsmith (talk) 15:15, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC) Well, for one, it's in her book Skywriting. As well as here, here, here, here (which reveals that yes, I am not a liar, and yes, she talked about it on her show), here, here...the list goes on and on. You really could have searched for this yourself, instead of doubting my credibility. Mike H 02:27, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC) I didn't doubt your credibility. In fact I said I believed you. What I said is that you didn't provide a reference. I think it's up to contributors to find that reference before adding a name. Or, to put a note on this Talk page saying "Jane Pauley has spoken on her talk show but I can't find a reference right now, anyone want to add her when they find a good reference?" You've found one and you've added the entry. Fine. I'm just saying don't jump the gun; don't add names until you have the references. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:02, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Howard Hughes?

An anon just added

"Howard Hughes" TWF

But I couldn't find him mentioned in Touched with Fire, not in the index anyway. If someone has a page reference, please provide it. Dpbsmith (talk) 22:59, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Tom Waits?

An anon just added Tom Waits with no citations. Does anyone have one? Dpbsmith (talk) 20:51, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

TWF page entries

Since we've had an case of someone adding a name and appending TWF, although the person does not seem to be mentioned in Touched With Fire, it seemed like I should probably check the others, which were all OK. I've added page references. I did this rather lazily; most are references to her Appendix B on pp. 267-9 which is simply a list of names. Some of them have much extensive descriptions within the text.

If you have a "missing" name

Let me repeat: if you know the name of someone who is not on the list whom you are anxious to add, and you're pretty sure there's a good source for that person's being bipolar, but you do not have a source to cite, then, please, by all means mention the name here. But do not the name to the article itself until someone can actually find that source and put it into the article along with the name. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:16, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Unsourced entry: Kristy McNichol

Recently added by an anon:

Kristy McNichol The former child star and teen idol left her show Empty Nest due to her battle with the depression. McNichol later returned to the show for a few episodes during the series' last season.

The Kristy McNichol article asserts asserts she was diagnosed with manic depression, but gives no source. The only source cited, Kristy McNichol on IMDb , says nothing about it.

Anyone with a good source reference, feel free to add the reference and reinsert. Dpbsmith (talk) 20:49, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Her E! True Hollywood Story went into detail on it. I'll see if I can find a written source. Mike H 01:17, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC) This is from VH1.com, which in turn took it from the All Movie Guide. In 1988, McNichol returned to series television as an unmarried detective who returns home to live with her father and her recently divorced sister in the sitcom Empty Nest (1988-1995). Suffering from severe bouts of manic depression, McNichol left the show during the 1992-1993 season. Since then she has apparently retired from acting. Here is the source. [5] I'm re-adding it with the link. Mike H 01:20, Apr 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Good. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:56, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Unsourced entry: Jaco Pastorius

Jaco Pastorius - Electric bass legend. Bipolar affliction is well-documented in biographies, interviews, and liner notes.

As soon as someone can cite a specific biography, with ISBN number and page number if a book, or volume/number/page if a magazine, or a URL for a web interview, or the specific name of the recording and author of the liner notes, it can go into the article. Citing a source means citing a source, not just saying that a source exists. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:18, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Quick due-diligence check: this online biography by Pat Metheny FAILS to mention mental illness, manic depressive illness, or bipolar disorder. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:30, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Unsourced entry: Adam Ant

Adam Ant Has spoken openly on television about his condition.

Credible, but not sourced. Our article on Adam Ant says he suffers from bipolar disorder but gives no references. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:26, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Is this good enough? G-Man 01:15, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Sure. I'll put it back myself with that reference. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:55, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Unsourced entries: Trent Reznor, Ozzy Osbourne

I've removed both of these unsourced entries. -- Karada 15:07, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Kurt Cobain

Removed pending provision of sources:

  • Kurt Cobain - Nirvana frontman. Many of his lyrics can be interpreted as symptoms of bipolar disorder. Cobain took his own life in 1994.

1) Suicide does not necessarily imply bipolar disorder. 2) The remark that many of his lyrics can be interpreted as symptoms of bipolar disorder is not sourced. Who says they can be interpreted this way? A mental health professional? A biographer? A newspaper reporter? Dpbsmith (talk) 16:02, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • He's got a song call Lithium that together with what is known of his life, well, he seems very familiar with the disorder...| lyrics. Not just the lyrics describe the illness, the music is even much more obviously bipolar. The final reference should be somewhere. --Pold 23:05, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Well, fine. Find a reasonably credible source you can quote who says so, and you can put him in the article together with the source citation. If it's that obvious, it shouldn't be all that difficult to find one. Speculation based on song lyrics, even plausible speculation, isn't good enough. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:14, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Her cousin, Beverly Cobain, a "registered nurse who already had 15 years of experience as a mental health professional by then [1994], rededicated her life to teaching and crusading for suicide prevention". She's written a book called When Nothing Matters Anymore: A Survival Guide for Depressed Teens .mw-parser-output cite.citation{font-style:inherit}.mw-parser-output .citation q{quotes:"\"""\"""'""'"}.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-free a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Lock-green.svg/9px-Lock-green.svg.png")no-repeat;background-position:right .1em center}.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-limited a,.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-registration a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/Lock-gray-alt-2.svg/9px-Lock-gray-alt-2.svg.png")no-repeat;background-position:right .1em center}.mw-parser-output .citation .cs1-lock-subscription a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Lock-red-alt-2.svg/9px-Lock-red-alt-2.svg.png")no-repeat;background-position:right .1em center}.mw-parser-output .cs1-subscription,.mw-parser-output .cs1-registration{color:#555}.mw-parser-output .cs1-subscription span,.mw-parser-output .cs1-registration span{border-bottom:1px dotted;cursor:help}.mw-parser-output .cs1-ws-icon a{background:url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Wikisource-logo.svg/12px-Wikisource-logo.svg.png")no-repeat;background-position:right .1em center}.mw-parser-output code.cs1-code{color:inherit;background:inherit;border:inherit;padding:inherit}.mw-parser-output .cs1-hidden-error{display:none;font-size:100%}.mw-parser-output .cs1-visible-error{font-size:100%}.mw-parser-output .cs1-maint{display:none;color:#33aa33;margin-left:0.3em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-subscription,.mw-parser-output .cs1-registration,.mw-parser-output .cs1-format{font-size:95%}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-left,.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-wl-left{padding-left:0.2em}.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-right,.mw-parser-output .cs1-kern-wl-right{padding-right:0.2em}ISBN1575420368. She seems to talk about Kurt in the book, according to index that Amazon lets you see, and in the following site interview she talks about other factors such as the genetic component (two suicides in the family) and says: "Kurt was diagnosed at a young age with Attention Deficit Disorder [ADD], then later with bipolar disorder. " http://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/cobainqa The site is linked to by http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-md02.html

By the bio outline on her site, she is credible. http://www.livingmatters.com/about.html I put Cobain back with the reference. Family member plus mental health professional looks like the ideal reference.

--Pold 00:39, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

    • Good! Now that that's taken care of... I don't see why the note shouldn't mention that he wrote a song entitled "Lithium" (and that lithium carbonate, often called simply "lithium," is a common treatments for bipolar disorder). I think the book you cite is an excellent reference. The point is not so much where Beverly Cobain is qualified and credible, as that a) Wikipedia isn't saying Cobain was bipolar on its own authority, or on the basis of someone's interpretation of some song lyrics, and b) any reader is now in a position to judge the accuracy and credibility of the statement. "Kurt Cobain was bipolar" may still be debatable; with an ISBN number, "Beverly Cobain said Kurt Cobain was bipolar" is an easily verifiable fact. Dpbsmith (talk) 14:00, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Kit Gingrich

I've removed

Kit Gingrich, mother of Newt Gingrich [6]

pending a better source. The problem here is that the cited source, http://www.bipolarsurvivor.com/famous_print.html is a website which simply lists her and does not give any specific source. It gives as general sources http://www.themoodyones.com, http://www.pendulum.org/information/information_famous.html, and http://www.mixednuts.net/depression-famous.html. The first site gives me a timeout error. The second does not even appear to mention Gingrich, and neither does the third. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:34, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

plagiarism

Many of the descriptions given to the people listed are ripped word-for-word from the articles cited. See, for example, Marilyn Monroe and Gustav Mahler. Citing a source doesn't, AFAIK, give you the right to take material from it. --Misterwindupbird 00:58, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Quoting a few sentences is fair use. Nothing about IP law is perfectly clear, but that's about as clear as anything can be. See http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/fairuse-explain.html for a good article on fair use. It says that specific examples of things that courts have found to be fair use include:
    • quotations of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment
    • quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work, for illustration or clarification of the author's observations;
    • summary of an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report.
Also, IP law is all about money. If anyone takes you to court, they have to show how many dollars the alleged copyright infringement has cost them. If you photocopy a book and hand it to someone, they might not buy the book. But there's no way that quoting a couple of sentences is going to cause monetary damage. Plagiarism is different, a matter of ethics rather than law. If you put something in quotation marks and give the source, you're not plagiarizing. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:10, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That's fine, and I know all that, but the text in question is not presented as a quotation, which is what I take issue with. I wasn't refering to legal right, as you point out, but ethics. There's no question that putting quotation marks around all the copy-and-pasted sentences would be both legal and ethical, as it would make it clear it was quoted material, though it might be unencyclopedic. --Misterwindupbird 09:40, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Jimi Hendrix

Jimi Hendrix is listed w/o a source. While he did write a song about it, this is not evidence enough

Removed. --Misterwindupbird 03:14, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Rosemary Clooney

Removed an unsourced entry. As always, whomever added it may well remember seeing or hearing it in some credible place, but that's not good enough. Before adding a name, find a source for the assertion that the person is bipolar, and cite it. Dpbsmith (talk) 12:46, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Jimi Hendrix

(I was the one who added him in the first place)

Many of the names on the list are not guarantees, not everyone on that list is there because they said they had manic depression. But I feel someone who writes a song named "Manic Depression" where he says "Manic depression is catchin my soul", who was known by people close to him to suffer from some sort of mental illness is enough evidence to add him to a list called "people believed to have been..".

The name is not "List of people that have been affected by bipolar disorder". The name of the list specifies "believe". I feel that a quote saying "Manic depression is touching my soul" "Manic depression is a frustrating mess" would mean that the person was very likely to have manic depression.

This is why I will add Jimi Hendrix back to the list.

"Jimi Hendrix" "Bipolar Disorder" brings 577 results at the moment. I imagine that he is believed to have been affected by bipolar disorder, and since he says in his song that he has it, he probably believed this himself.

As presently written, reasons for and against are presented, and the reader is left in a position to make an informed judgement and to pursue further details. Two things that could be improved. First, I think that it is OK to add people who have said they have manic depression if a source is provided. The problem here is that a song lyric is not a source. Song lyrics are not necessarily literal statement of what the songwriter and/or performer believe. Johnny Cash sang "Life ain't easy for a boy named Sue," but he wasn't named Sue (nor was Shel Silverstein, the songwriter). There's not even any way tell whether Cash (or Silverstein) had the sort of relation with his father implied by the song. Did Hendrix ever refer to manic depression in an interview, or something other than a song lyric? Second, I still don't like the references, because they are basically dead ends. Bipolar Disorder Today simply says "Most of this list was obtained from the Internet." They don't even give the links. We can't find out why they think Hendrix was bipolar. Bipolar World just gives a couple of paragraphs about his musical career, and then states that he died after taking "vesperax" and choking on his vomitus. One might suspect a suicide attempt, but why would anyone conclude from that, that he was bipolar? Wasn't there anything better among those 577 hits? Dpbsmith (talk) 12:16, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Jorn Barger

Removed:

Jorn Barger,(blogger)-to Paul Boudin in 'Wired' Magazine, 2005

because:

  • the Wired article says nothing about bipolar disorder, manic-depression, or even, explicitly, mental illness.
  • According to our article on Jorn Barger,
Barger has since said that the Boutin article was mostly "fiction."

Dpbsmith (talk) 19:21, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

This was merely one of a series of vandalism edits by an anon IP, nothing more. -- Curps 12:57, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Jim Carrey

Recently added to the list, again. Removed again because, again, no source was given. If "he's been very open about it," as someone noted above, then it shouldn't be hard to find a good, verifiable source citation, such as an interview in a verifiable mainstream news publication, in which he talks about it; then reinsert his name together with that citation.

By all means use this Talk page as a memo pad on which to suggest missing names, but don't put them into the encyclopedia article until they are properly sourced. Dpbsmith (talk) 11:02, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Gordon Sumner (Sting)

I removed this because no source was given. Please find a good source citation, then it can be reinserted together with the source. Dpbsmith (talk) 22:33, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Charles Mingus

Recently added:

Charles Mingus The jazz composer had a tendency in his career to go through intense periods of composition only to be followed by a periods of dormancy. Furthermore, his well documented irascibility, belligerence and aggression seem to be characteristic of the mania phase.

Unfortunately, speculation, even very plausible speculation, resting only on the authority of the person inserting the item, is not encyclopedic. This is a list of people accompanied by verifiable source citations associating them with bipolar disorder. This entry can be reinserted in the article as soon as someone finds a verifiable source citationa book, newspaper article, or even a reasonably authoritative websitethat says in so many words that Mingus was bipolar. The source must be given along with the name.

In this case, note that the reference must say specifically that MIngus was bipolarnot merely that he was irascible or belligerent, or even that he was mentally ill. Dpbsmith (talk) 17:25, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Peter Sellers

Entry consisted solely of the name:

Peter Sellers

Do not reinsert until it can be accompanied by a verifiable source citation.

This was reinserted in the following form:

Peter Sellers He was said by those who knew him to be completely unpredictable, often jumping alarmingly from pleasant to aggressive.

I have removed it, even though it is very plausible that Sellers was bipolar, because a) no verifiable source citation is given, and b) being mercurial does not necessarily mean being bipolar. This citation needs to quote a verifiable source, such as a biography or newspaper article, with enough information (e.g. date and page number) so that curious readers can locate that source for themselves. That source needs to say specifically that he suffered from bipolar disorder, not merely that he had unpredictable mood swings. Dpbsmith (talk) 17:08, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Phil Spector

The entry was:

Phil Spector in 2003 interview published in The Daily Telegraph

This can be reinserted as soon as a source citation is provided that is good enough to be verified by anyone curious enough to do so. Specifically,

  • a date and a page reference for the interview, OR
  • a good citation of a secondary source that says "in a 2003 interview in The Daily Telegraph...

Readers can't be expected to search the entire Daily Telegraph for the year 2003. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:02, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Ozzy Osbourne

No source given.

Our Ozzy Osbourne article mentions bipolar disorder; if someone wants to reinsert this the first thing to do is to check out the sources given in the Ozzy Osbourne article and see whether any of them mention bipolar disorder.

If one of them does, it can be used as a source citation here in this article.

If none of them do, then the statement in the Ozzy Osbourne article, "He divorced his first wife, Thelma, and developed bipolar disorder" should be edited to remove the phrase about bipolar disorder. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:00, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Bing Crosby

With regard to people whose Wikipedia article says they are bipolar, per the edit note on Bing Crosby: do not simply list the name here. Check the Wikipedia article. If it gives as source for the person's being bipolar, put that source here as well. If the article gives no source, remove the claim from the article.

In this case, all the Bing Crosby article said was "Many people believe that Crosby's extraordinary abilities were due to his having bipolar disorder." Such a claim should not be put in an article without indicating what people, specifically, believe this, and indicating where they said so.

This claim seems particularly questionable, by the way. It was made and removed from the article once before, and the editor who removed it notes a discussion on this message board. One commentator says:

I work with bi-polar people for a living and have for a number of years. Having been exposed to these people 40 hours a week, I can state with some authority that Bing never had bi polar disorder. His personality is entirely inconsistent with this malady. Bing never had spectacular highs, for instance. In his drinking and partying days, circa 1926-1932, he was unusually upbeat (for lack of a better word!), but this was fueled by booze, not a genetic disorder. Now Gary Crosby is another matter. Not only was he an alcoholic like his mother, he did exhibit traits consistent with a bi-polar personality. Lindsay did as well, though less is known about his personality. Bing was phlegmatic, calm and laid back for much of his adult life. Believe me, those with bi polar disorders do NOT behave in this manner.

(And, no, a posting in a discussion form is not a good enough source to justify inserting Gary Crosby). Dpbsmith (talk) 13:56, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

More unsourced entries

Please provide verifiable sources before reinserting.

Contributors: these may be people widely regarded as bipolar, particularly within the bipolar community. These may be people about whom you remember reading a biography or a press account saying they were bipolar. It may be helpful to list names here on the talk page as repaying research.

But they should not go in the article, until somone can cite a reliable source that says they are bipolar.

  • James Boswell
  • Dick Cavett
  • Rosemary Clooney
  • Robin Givens
  • Linda Hamilton
  • Edvard Munch
  • Axl Rose (Guns N Roses)
  • Jean-Claude Van Damme

Billy Carnes

Billy Carnes (Bassist of the band Salvaged Souls) is believed to have have bipolar disorder for when he was 14 years old he was very verbal about his constant mood swings. "I go from really really happy to extremely low and depressed" Billy stated in an Interview early October 2005.

This will be fine and can go in as soon as a citation for that interview is added. (What newspaper or magazine? If newspaper, name of paper and year/month/day/page number. If magazine, name of magazine and volume/number/page number. If website, give URL). Dpbsmith (talk) 02:30, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Handel, Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Tolstoy

Recently added without accompanying source citations:

  • George Handel
  • Abraham Lincoln
  • Theodore Roosevelt
  • Leo Tolstoy

Remember, please, names must be accompanied by source citations at the time when they are added.

If someone is well known to have been bipolar, such a citation should not be hard to find, but it is up to the person who adds the name to do this work before adding it.

You do not need to prove that the person was bipolar, but you do need to prove that someone respected, such as a biographer, has made that suggestion explicitly (using the word bipolar, or manic-depressive, or cyclothymic).

Abraham Lincoln No good Abraham Lincoln was subject to extreme mood swings No good Abraham Lincoln: Biographer XYZ says in book Q, page so-and-so: "Lincoln's mood swings were extreme." No good Abraham Lincoln: Biographer XYZ says in book Q, page so-and-so: "Lincoln's mood swings were extreme and psychologist JKL has speculated that he suffered from what today would be called bipolar disorder." Good enough, because a source has been cited, and the word "bipolar" is used.

Dpbsmith (talk) 13:45, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Abbie Hoffman

  • Abbie Hoffman, political activist

Removed; no source provided. Our article calls him bipolar, but none of the sources cited says so, so I'm going to remove this from the Abbie Hoffman article as well.

As always, this doesn't mean that I doubt the likelihood of his being bipolar, but as it says on every edit page "Content must not violate any copyright and must be verifiable."

  • Reinserted. I found a source. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:02, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Jesus

I removed:

  • Jesus, Suffered from grandiose religous delusions, had episodes of psychosis(belived he was being personally tempted by the devil), went through mood shifts (one minute its turn the other cheek, the next its lets flip over tables and crack whips in the temple), and experienced racing thoughts (wasn't able to follow his thoughts to logical conclusions, jumped from one idea to the next, and made a number of conflicting statements).

As it happens, I perceive this entry to be non-neutral, but that's not why I removed it. The problem is that it is unsourced.

As always, it is not the fact that needs to be verifiable, but the source. If someone can quote a good verifiable source... if, for example, there's some kooky but famous book that says in so many words that the historical Jesus of Nazareth was bipolar... there could be an entry for Jesus, quoting the book. (And, of course, if the book were widely regarded as nutty, it would be appropriate to quote a well-sourced opinion to that effect as well).

It is not sufficient to find a source that says that Jesus behaved in thus-and-such-a-way, and that this pattern of behavior, in the opinion of some Wikipedia editor, might be characteristic of bipolar disorder. It is necessary to find a source that directly connects Jesus with "bipolar disorder" or "manic-depression."

We need to be careful with every entry, but since Jesus of Nazareth is so widely revered, it is appropriate to be particularly careful about anything we say about him. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:21, 30 December 2005 (UTC)


First, I would like to apologize for making the original entry without placing it on the talk page beforehand. Although I do suspect Jesus was a manic depressive, I knew some people would react strongly to this statement. My primary motivation in posting it was to show the absudrdity of diagnosing people who lived in different eras and passed away without having recieved a diagnosis while living. This arguement should have been made on the talk page not the main article.

However I still think that if Meriwether Lewis, Napoleon,Robert Louis Stevenson,Hans Christian Andersen, and Ludwig Van Beethoven make the cut then there is more then enough evidence to include Jesus using the same evidentiary standards.

Here is an article that makes an explicit arguement that Jesus was bipolar. http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:JdRFFxaroQMJ:webzoom.freewebs.com/shequality/A%2520Psychodynamic%2520Study%2520of%2520Jesus.doc+%22Jesus+was+a+manic-depressive%22&hl=en

David Friedrich Straus wrote two nineteenth centruty boooks that indicated Jesus was unstable.

Oskar Holtzmann, War Jesu Ekstatiker? , 1903 (Was Jesus Ecstatic?)

Dr. George de Loosten published, Jesus Christ from the Standpoint of a Psychiatrist in 1905. The book explains Jesus apparent bizarre behavior on a number of occasions as being tainted by a bad heredity which made him a degenerate with a fixed delusional system.

Dr. Binet-Sangle wrote the book La Folie de Jesus (The Dementia of Jesus) Which documents seven of Jesus' hallucinations

Dr. William Hirsh published a 1912 work titled: Religion and CivilizationConclusions of a Psychiatrist. In this book he identifies Jesus as paranoid and suffering from ceaselessly mounting megolomania.

65.125.163.221 23:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)p172

I am tempted to add Jesus in light of the above info, but would like to see more input from others first. However at some point I will probably just follow the old adage that he who is silent consents, and add it even without support unless someone comes up in opposition to it 65.125.163.221 14:30, 31 December 2005 (UTC)p172

Most of these could be used to justify placing Jesus on a list of "people who were believed by some psychiatrists to have been affected by mental illness." But this is a list of people believed to have been suffering, specifically, from bipolar disorder. You could use the Raymond Lloyd reference to justify the addition of Jesus, but I think it's a bad idea. I am opposed to adding Jesus' name, but I personally will not remove it if you accompany it by the print-reference-citation of the Raymond Lloyd paper, as well as this link, which still seems to be live, to the online text: http://webzoom.freewebs.com/shequality/A%20Psychodynamic%20Study%20of%20Jesus.doc Keep the other references out, they don't speak to bipolar disorder. But if, as you say, your real point is that the other historical names should be removed, then I think adding Jesus could be considered a bad-faith edit and an example of disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate a point. If what you want to do is remove Beethoven et al, then remove them, don't add further dubious entries. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:32, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

There is a problem here with changing standards in society. Of all the above sources about Jesus and bipolar disorder the Raymond Llyod article is the only one to make the explicit link between Jesus and bipolar disorder. However, the other sources predate the modern definition of the disorder, but identify Jesus as suffering from mental illness, and describe symptoms that are currently associated with being bipolar.

I understand Dpbsmith's point about "bad faith edits", however I have personal issues with trying to use intent as a mesurement of the apropriateness of certain edits. If I was sole editor of this article I would not inlcude Jesus in a list of famous people who were bipolar. However I would also exclude many of the names on the current list from my ideal version. I don't understand how applying the same evidentiary standard that is used in the current article can be considered bad faith. Under the current standard, I feel that Jesus of Nazareth's name is conspicously absent.

Anyway I think for the time being I am satisfied leaving this info on the talk page. Religion is an emotional subject, and a list which implies that the central figure of one of the world's largest religions is mentally ill is bound to upset. An article that listed Jesus as mentally ill would probably provoke an endless edit war. If I get the chance I will gather some resources this weekend and heavily edit this article to bring it to a higher standard. 65.125.163.221 10:13, 9 February 2006 (UTC) p172

Milos Kopecky, Amber Kramer

I'm removing

  • Milos Kopecky - Czechoslovak actor known to suffer with heavy case of bipolar disorder.
  • Amber Kramer - her depression was started from a horse-falling accident.

When someone can find a source for them, they can be reinserted. See Wikipedia's verifiability policy. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Blackie Lawless

Snipped:

  • Blackie Lawless, the frontman of the band W.A.S.P., has a curiously bipolar pattern of writing songs. The music he writes is either extremely gloomy, serious and bleak (eg. The Crimson Idol, Unholy Terror, Still Not Black Enough) or rather upbeat and irreverent (eg. W.A.S.P. (album), The Last Command, Helldorado). Most curious is the album The Headless Children, which halfways through its total tracklisting (between the songs Thunderhead and Mean Man) sudden shifts from sinister in both lyrical themes and general spirit to more upbeat, triumphant and less serious.

This article is a "list of people accompanied by verifiable source citations associating them with bipolar disorder."

At the moment, the entry has no source citation, and has the appearance of being 83.92.180.211's personal opinion. Also, it does not say that Lawless suffers from bipolar disorder, but only that he has a "curiously bipolar pattern of writing songs." This is an interesting observation and it might turn out to be insightfulLawless might in fact be bipolarbut without a) a source citation, b) associating them with bipolar disordernot just a pattern of extreme moods in songsit's not appropriate for the list. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Unsourced entries

Removed, pending someone's providing verifiable source citations. Please do not reinsert unless you can provide such a citation. Note that the Daniel Johnston article says he is bipolar, but lacks a citation. The Wikipedia articles on the others do not mention bipolar disorder. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:16, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Daniel Johnston
  • Courtney Love
  • Axl Rose
  • Mike Tyson

John Adams

Removing:

John Adams Adams frequently fell to black despair, fits of depression that were triggered usually by the onset of some illness, public criticism, or lack of recognition of his achievements. See "The Complete Book of U.S. Presidents"

If "the Complete Book of U.S. Presidents" does not use the words "bipolar" or "manic-depressive" then it is not an adequate source. We cannot take a description such as "fell into black despair" and diagnose this ourselves as "bipolar disorder." Anyone who wishes to reinsert John Adams must find a source that actually puts the label "bipolar disorder" on these fits of depression. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Meriwether Lewis

Meriwether Lewis From Night Falls Fast by Kay Jamison: "And the same bold, restless temperament that Jefferson saw in the young Meriwether Lewis can lie uneasily just this side of a restive, deadly despair." See Murder or Suicide.

This quotation does not say Lewis was bipolar. The book is about suicide, not bipolar disorder, and "restive, deadly despair" is not necessarily bipolarity. Dpbsmith (talk) 02:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Ulrich Stahn

Removed this as unverifiable. Possible joke/hoax prank?

Dr. Ulrich Stahn is king of bipolar world-wide scenerie; the probably last living universal genious, ask a question, he solves everything, and living hero, master of science and spiritual, real angel, father and rief, the richest man in the world, saved many souls and livings. also see his homepage about hypomanie (URL removed because it was triggering the spam filter... it was aitch why pee oh em a en eye eee dot aitch why dot funpic dot de)

Note that there is apparently no article on him in Wikipedia. Note too that the cited page is not his personal homepagewhich would not qualify as an adequate reference anywayand has no information on bipolar disorder, but contains the single line "Frohe Weihnachten und ein gesundes Neues Jahr!" (Merry Christmas and a happy New Year), followed by an auto-redirect to an ad. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:51, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Saul the King

Removed, pending provision of a source citation:

  • Saul the King His symptoms as described in the Books of Samuel (alternating bouts of deep melancholy followed by bursts of manic rage, paranoia and agression) are consistent with bipolar illness and may offer one of history's first recorded descriptions of the disorder.

As this stands, without sources, it gives the appearance of being the opinion of 68.62.148.44, and perhaps no original research. I am not very happy about doctors' attempts to diagnose illness without an opportunity to examine the patient, but certainly this item can be includedbut only if it can be shown to be from a good, verifiable published source, such as a printed book. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:34, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Here is a good source. --Max 05:57, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Names appearing in UNSOURCED website lists

I'm sorry, but a website that simply contains a list of UNSOURCED names cannot itself be an adequate source. These are quite likely to be names of people who do have bipolar disorder, and some digging might turn them up, but as it stands these can't go in until better sources are found. Also, please see the reliable source guidelines. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:38, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Neal Cassady (Writer) - Best known as Dean Moriarty from Kerouac's On The Road. See: List of famous people with bipolar disorder
  • Brian Wilson (the Beach Boys) see: Mental Heath Today: List of famous people with Bipolar Disorder

The follow item needs some kind of verifiable reference, meeting the reliable source guidelines. At the absolute minimum, the date of the interview might make it possible for someone else to find a source.

  • Stephen Fry discussed living with bipolar disorder in an interview with Michael Parkinson for ITV1.
Now sourced.

Randi Wright

  • Randi Wright, porn actress.

No source is cited. The linked article asserts she "is bi-polar" but also cites no source for this. Reinsert only if including a source citation to a published, reliable source. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Deletion

This entire article should be deleted. Is there an article such as List of people believed to be homosexual or List of people believed to be associated with Terrorist Groups. Kyros 08:11, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

  • First, It was nominated for deletion but consensus for deletion was not achieved. Nominate it again if you have wish, but I think the chances of people agreeing to delete a well-referenced article is very small. Second, there certainly is a List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people . Dpbsmith (talk) 13:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Recent unsourced entries

It's necessary to give the source, not to say vaguely that a source is believed to exist. These can be reinserted when a specific source is found and added. Saying Sting said something "in an interview," for example, won't do; there's no way for a reader to find that interview. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Debra Lafave - Former schoolteacher who was charged with several counts of having sexual contact with a minor in Hillsborough County, Florida and Marion County, Florida. LaFave attributed her indiscretions to bipolar disorder.
  • Sting called himself manic-depressive in an interview and published a song called "Lithium Sunset"
  • Screaming Lord Sutch was revealed as having bipolar disorder after his death.
  • Michael Slater Was very open on Enough Rope with Andrew Denton regarding his experiences with Bipolar II.
  • Devin Townsend Openly speaks about his disorder, especially about its involvement in his creative process.
  • Patrick Kennedy Rep. Patrick Kennedy, 38, spent time at a drug rehabilitation clinic before he went to Providence College in Rhode Island. He has openly discussed his personal mental health problems, including having been diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Early this year he spoke about having been in recovery "for depression, for alcoholism and substance abuse."

Margaret Trudeau

I added Margaret Trudeau to the list. See http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/05/05/trudeau-depression060505.html

Good. Thanks for providing the reference. The reference belongs in the article itself, next to Trudeau's name. I've put it there for you. You can make a link to an external web page by typing it in single brackets. Thus, if you type this: *[[Margaret Trudeau]][http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/05/05/trudeau-depression060505.html]

you get this:

  • Margaret Trudeau[7]
Dpbsmith (talk) 00:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

VIvien Leigh

Removing until someone can find a better citation:

  • Vivien Leigh She was severely bipolar, and for a major part of her life attributed it to her birth sign, Scorpio: (quoted:) 'My birth sign is Scorpio and they eat themselves up and burn themselves out. I swing between happiness and misery. I am part prude and part nonconformist. I say what I think and I don't pretend and I am prepared to accept the consequences of my actions'; [8] "I cannot let well enough alone. I get restless. I have to be doing different things. I am a very impatient person and headstrong." [9] Biography.com profile, mentions her bipolar disorder

Unfortunately the biography.com profile is a dead link. Self-descriptions such as "I swing between happiness and misery" may suggest bipolar disorder, but could also refer to ordinary mood swings. We need a source that uses that word (or "manic-depressive.") Dpbsmith (talk) 16:32, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Gustav Mahler

Removing pending better citation:

  • Gustav Mahler See The Man Who Saw It Coming

The source is a website, "McMan's Depression and Bipolar Web." It credits no author and cites no sources. It appears to be a personal essay by someone who bases the assertion that Mahler was bipolar on his perception of the emotions expressed in Mahler's music. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Jayson Blair

  • Jayson Blair

Removed because of lack of source citation. Dpbsmith (talk) 18:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Addition to BP List

Any listing of historical figures who suffered with bipolar disorder is supposition by necessity. There can be no offical diagnosis of someone who existed before BP was identified. However, there are people who have well-documented lives, who most definately exhibited BP features. One addition to the list is Abraham Lincoln, whom I have seen listed elsewhere.

Jeff Buckley

Removing

  • Jeff Buckley according to The biography Dream Brother written about him and his father Tim Buckley, the night before his drowning, he admitted to several loved ones that he suffered from bipolar disorder.

because a Google Books search did not find the word "bipolar" in the book: [10]

If reinserting, please cite the page number and quote the exact words used by the book. Dpbsmith (talk) 09:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

P. S. a9 search shows "No references to bipolar inside this book." Dpbsmith (talk) 10:02, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Cletus T. Judd

  • Cledus T. Judd, who references his diagnosis on his parody album, Bipolar and Proud.

I'd like to see a better reference than a redlink to the name of an album. Actually, I'd like to see one that meets the guidelines for reliable sources, which doesn't say anything about music albums.

At the very least, I'd like to have it be perfectly clear on how he "references his diagnosis."

If it says this in the album notes, I'd like to see the recording company that produced the album, and its catalog number, the author of the liner notes, and an actual quotation instead of just the indirect statement that he "references his diagnosis."

References in the song lyrics would certainly not be acceptable, since there is never any way to be sure whether they're intended to be literal, nonfictional references to the singer's life or not. Johnny Cash was never incarcerated in Folsom Prison... Dpbsmith (talk) 09:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

David Musgrove

Removing

  • David Musgrove He tried to explain in to his mother, but she didn't care to listen.

until someone cares to supply a source. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Courtney Love: Page reference to Brite book, please

Recently added:

  • Courtney Love - frontwoman of rock band 'Hole'. Actress. Model. Widow of Kurt Cobain. Confessed to being bipolar in her biography written by Poppy Z. Brite, also in interviews and implied in songs. She herself linked it to her 'on-going troubled years' of childhood where she shifted from boarding schools across the globe, this 'plauging behaviour' of hers haunted her even in her fame.

The book in question is presumably Brite, Poppy Z. (1998). Courtney Love: The Real Story. Simon and Schuster: Touchstone Editions. ISBN0684848007.. However, since the person adding the item did not give a page reference, and since an Amazon "search inside this book" search for "bipolar" and for "manic-depressive" did not yield any results, I'm moving this here until someone can give a page number and a quotation. Dpbsmith (talk) 15:59, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Jimi Hendrix

OK, I'm pulling this entry. It's not misleading as written, but it's been there too long without anyone adding any real sources.

  • Jimi Hendrix appears on many lists of famous people with bipolar disorder: Mental Health Today added him to their list, Bipolar World added him as well. This is probably due mostly to his song named "Manic Depression" which starts with "Manic depression is touching my soul" and ends with "Manic depression is a frustrating mess". His behavior later in life also suggested episodes of confusion and depression. It is possible that his behavior was only due to the drug abuse that brought his death, but if he didn't have Bipolar Disorder, the chances are that he at least believed he had it.

Unfortunately, the lists at Mental Health Today and Bipolar World are casual and don't cite sources. Mental Health Today simply lists his name with no explanation. Bipolar World gives a capsule biography which conspicuously fails to say in so many words that he was bipolar or manic-depressive.

Song titles and lyrics do not count. Johnny Cash was never in Folsom Prison, Eric Clapton never shot a sheriff, and the lyrics to "I Get a Kick Out of You" are not good evidence that Cole Porter a) used cocaine, or b) failed to get a kick from it.

What's needed is a source citation from something meeting the reliable source guidelines that says, in so many words, "Hendrix was bipolar" or "Hendrix was manic-depressive." Moody, wild, suicidal do not equal bipolar, and song lyrics are not factual biography. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

And ditto Sting: just because you have written a song with "lithium" in its title does not necessarily mean that you are a manic depressive. -- The Anome 13:55, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

The actual story behind the song was printed in the liner notes for the mid-90s CD re-release of whichever album it's off (Are You Experienced? I think). Jimi was looking tired and worn-out during a press conference. His manager at the time, Chas Chandler, made an off-the-cuff comment to the effect of "You look like a manic-depressive housewife." Jimi wrote the song based around that comment. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that he was bipolar, so it's only right that he be taken out. Any arguments from his behaviour are mere POV.

Removed Phil Spector

I removed the following:

  • Phil Spector Self-described as follows: "I would say I'm probably relatively insane, to an extent I take medication for schizophrenia, but I wouldn't say I'm schizophrenic. But I have a bipolar personality, which is strange." [11]

This is a special case, because, although he considers himself to have a "bipolar personality", his doctors, who are treating him for schizophrenia, clearly don't: although some symptoms can overlap between the disorders, the two diagnoses, and their overall clinical syndromes, are mutually exclusive. -- The Anome 13:53, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

On balance I don't think this entry belongs. However, since the quotation makes the situation clear and is referenced, I didn't think there was much harm in leaving it in. That is, there is in fact a source citation that shows that Spector is a person believed to have been affected by bipolar disorder... by himself. Dpbsmith (talk) 14:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed Datta Shalini

  • Datta Shalini

... as no source was provided. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:21, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

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Yet more unsourced entries removed

See this diff: [12] -- note that I have not removed Baudelaire, just removed a duplication, and sorted him to the right place in the listing. -- The Anome 13:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Courtney Love

I've removed the following as unsourced:

  • Courtney Love ,Musician,Actress,Author. Best known as the singer/songwriter for Hole (band), and as the widow of singer/songwriter Kurt Cobain. Quoted saying "Ive been known to be a bit mad" "I have manic episodes" on a documentary.

Although it offers self-describing quotes, this entry does not offer a source for them, so we can't include this here. -- The Anome 14:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Marilyn Monroe

  • Marilyn Monroe, actress. See article

The cited source is "McMan's Depression and Bipolar Web." The article has no identifiable author, and is excessively vague about citing sources of its own. It seems to be based on an AMC television bio. It is not at all clear whether the program really says in so many words that she had bipolar disorder, or who, exactly, said so. Phrases such as "Only Marilyns bipolar could explain the incredible and unpredictable ups and downs that governed her final days and resulted in her tragic ending" put me on my guard. It does say that "The AMC documentary very clearly let viewers know that Marilyn suffered from bipolar disorder, with testimony from her personal physician and with reference to her institutionalized mother," but, again, it does not name either her physician or her mother or give their words. If Monroe's physician were named and quoted as saying "She had bipolar disorder" that of course would be fine. (But if she had a physician who had diagnosed bipolar disorder why wasn't her physician treating her for it?)

If it's widely acknowledged that Monroe was bipolar, there ought to be a better source somewhere. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Robert Munsch best selling children's author, storyteller

(UTC)Robert Munsch has spoken openly about his bipolar disorder in several articles. The article sourced here is The Boy Inside the Man see [13]--Story.lady 13:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Trent Reznor

Removed from the list, yet again. Singing songs which might plausibly be interpreted to be about bipolar disorder is not the same as having it. As Dpbsmith said above, song titles and lyrics do not count; Johnny Cash was never in Folsom Prison, Eric Clapton never shot a sheriff. -- The Anome 09:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Shalini Datta

I've removed the following entry:

"Shalini Datta, the famous Indian dancer stated in an interview that she had bipolar disorder The Telegraph 24th May 1989"

There is no article for a person of that name, and Google searches for '"Shalini Datta" dancer' and '"Shalini Datta" bipolar' find no relevant links other than mirrors of this list. -- The Anome 08:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Kristy McNichol

I've removed the following entry:

Kristy McNichol, actress. The former child star and teen idol left the show Empty Nest due to her battle with the depression. McNichol later returned to the show for a few episodes during the series' last season. [14]

Although the cited article describes her as having experienced manic depression, there is no evidence that she has ever spoken about this herself, and thus she cannot be included in this list. -- The Anome 07:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Phil Ochs

Removed from the list:

Phil Ochs, folk/topical singer from the 60's and early 70's. Towards the end of career he began to show erratic behaviour and had an alter ego, John Butler Train. The disorder ended with him hanging himself in 1976.

This needs a verifiable cite before it can be restored to the article. In addition, the detail about an "alter ego" is peculiar, and appears to have no bearing on whether or not Ochs was bipolar. -- Karada 11:22, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Brad Jordan

Removed from the list:

  • Brad Jordan, rapper (in the 2nd verse of "Born Killer" he says that he suffers from Manic Depression) [15]

As stated several subheadings above, song lyrics, even when written in the first person, are not necessarily autobiographical. -- Karada 11:52, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Chopin

Removed from the list:

  • Fredric Chopin, composer. Diaries and letters to friends describe intense depressive episodes characterized by psychotic features, alternating with spurts of unparalleled creativity.

Fascinating if true, but without a citation to a published version of the diaries, we can't put it in this list: cite, please? -- Karada 12:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Bill Lichtenstein

I removed Bill Lichtenstein from this list: although a cite is given, it's unclear as to whether the notability criteria are otherwise satisfied; is there any other evidence for notability other than this one mention in an article? -- The Anome 19:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Robbie Williams

Robbie Williams needs to be removed from this list. The very documentary that's mentioned stated that he had NEVER been diagnosed as BiPolar, just as having depression. He then went on to say that any "manic" signs people may see in him are just a stage persona.I have no idea how to remove it, so if somebody could that would be good Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.104.43.3 (talk) 21:34, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Gabe Race

  • Hi These Ae Some Legit Reasons Why I Think Gabe Race Should Be In List Of People Affected By Bipolar Disorder.
According To My Reasearch Gabe Race Is One of The Most Affected By This Horribal Disorder And He takes It Very Well In An Interview With Health Line Gabe Quoted "Not Having Much Problems With This Disorder"And Says "God Gives You A Glitch,He Can't Fix It So Just Live With It"This Guy Seem Pretty Alright With Bipolar From What You heard There I Mean Its Pretty Reasonable That He Learned To LIve With It Pretty Legit This Is Why I Think He Should Be On.--Monkey_dude117 3:24 27 October 2007 (UTC) Monkey_Dude, sorry, but that's not enough to merit inclusion on this page. -- The Anome 14:10, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Gilgamesh

Removed from the list:

Gilgamesh, ancient king of Uruk. His life is chronicled in the the epic Gilgamesh. "Gilgamesh very clearly portrays Gilgamesh as manic-depressive" Alorie Parkhill, MA (2006).

At the moment, this entry appears to fail the Google test, and I can't verify the source. Can someone provide a cite for this that can actually be looked up, either on the Internet or in a library, so we can validate it? -- The Anome 18:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Britney Spears

TMZ states that she is currently taking medication for BiPolar Disorder, but this does not mean that she has it, many people just think it is the paparazzi that are causing this. If she says that she has it, it is not proof as there is no way to test her for it. Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.43.217 (talk) 10:05, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

The only source for this is TMZ, which isn't enough since the website tmz is not a doctor as far as I know. Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.178.223.233 (talk) 19:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

  • A verifiable source is a verifiable source. The requirement is that the reader know where the information came from; that the source is a good, publicly available reference that a reader can check, to see the exact words the source uses and the context in which it uses them; and that the source be identified well enough for the reader to judge its reliability. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Notice in every section

It's is simply not needed. All additions can be easily removed. No need to restate Wikipedia's policy that many times. I have the page watchlisted, so I'll keep an eye on future additions. hmwith? 20:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Considering the amount of crap these lists get it definitely is needed. Many other of these lists also have a warning. Perhaps the same shorter warning could be used here. "Note: Please cite sources when adding entries to this list, unsourced entries will be removed". Garion96 (talk) 20:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC) That's much better. Thanks for your helpful compromise. hmwith? 04:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Kurt Cobain

He used to have a small section on this page what happened? Come to think of it what happened to the c section? Preceding unsigned comment added by SLTS91 (talk contribs) 01:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Craig Owens

Craig Owens (musician) was added to this list without a cite to reliable sources. Since he is a living person, WP:BLP applies. What appears to be his blog has an entry attesting to this, but it's a primary source. We should at least have a reliable secondary source for confirmation before we can add this person. -- The Anome (talk) 01:39, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

David Strickland

  • David Strickland was also listed here without any information from reliable sources. I've removed the entry until the necessary information has been supplied. -- The Anome (talk) 17:08, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Edward Renehan

I've removed the following, since there's no article on this person:

  • Edward Renehan, author and musician, outed himself as bipolar/manic depressive in January 2008.[1]

If this person meets the WP:BIO notability criteria, can someone please create the article, and then re-add the entry? -- The Anome (talk) 22:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

George Cantor

Would he be a good entry? Any published diagnosis? ----Tellerman

I'd consider Cantor to be a dead ringer for having had bipolar disorder: his obsession with the unknowable, increasing religiosity, and eventual death in an asylum, all form a consistent picture. A bit of web browsing suggests that I'm not the only person to have had this idea. However, I can't find any published source that agrees with me on this, so he has to stay out. -- The Anome 13:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Update: Cantor's now fully cited, so he's in. -- The Anome 15:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC) Re what The Anome wrote: The "unknowable"??? Admittedly, infinity is a mysterious and arcane concept, but a HUGE amount (no pun intended) is in fact known about it. So it is far from "unknowable".Daqu (talk) 05:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Usefulness of this list

This list in itself is of questionable use. While it seems that some users may wish to know about famous people that have this disorder, it ends up being just another list without any real merit. I was also under the impression that lists in Wikipedia were looked down upon. Could someone possibly enlighten me as to this situation? MDAmp 14:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

As Wikipedia speaks to a huge quantity of people, why does it include such a silly and biaised list. Most people with Bipolar Disorder experience protracted illness that in all-invasive and not as amenable to medication or therapy as most people who might read this list would like to think. Jane Pauley and Dr. Jamison love to talk about their experience with this illness, but does that speak to a wider public of Bipolar patients who can no longer work, and lead lives very different than the ones before they were diagnosed. A list like this that does not include a disclaimer about self-diagnosis and the contemporary celebrities listed, or links to pages that explain what happens to the "common" man with the disease, simply should not be in an encyclopedia of unbiased fact. Lancebergstrom 02:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

What does happen to the "common" man with bipolar disorder, then? -- Karada 20:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I found this list very helpful. As a "common man" with ultradian bipolar disorder, I was able to see similarities between my own experiences and the biographies of some of these high-profile celebrities and historical figures. It gave me some clarity on my situation. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedic resource of knowledge, why would lists such as this not be useful? 98.193.158.96 (talk) 22:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Say, isn't this article kind of mean spirited and libelous?24.21.101.33 (talk) 09:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

No. I have Bipolar and it's comforting to find out that people whom I admire have shared my painful experiences (remember, loneliness is a symptom of depressive periods in BP). The article only includes living people who have chosen to publicly state their afflictions, and as far as the deceased, having BP is more important toward academic pursuit in understanding the disorder than it is "embarrassing" or whatever it is you think that people with it may feel. Leopold Stotch (talk) 18:39, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

It's not wikipedia's place to say what knowledge is "useful." Simple as that. Jjmckool (talk) 17:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I strongly agree with whoever started this section, questioning whether this list is useful as regards persons who lived a long time ago. Most important, I think there is very little way to confirm that the list contains accurate information where persons of the distant past are concerned.

Someone said that it's not Wikipedia's place to determine whether information is useful. Maybe so, but it is obviously Wikipedia's place to determine whether information is accurate (or can be verified to be accurate) -- and if information cannot be verified to be accurate, I claim that it is not useful.

Well, the fact that some psychological professional wrote in some publication that they believe that famous person X of the distant past was bipolar is of astonishingly little value, information-wise. There may be a few cases where we have enough reliable information about that person's behavior to make a well-informed diagnosis. But in the vast majority of cases involving someone who lived before the concept of manic-depressive or bipolar even existed -- I believe that it is almost impossible, even for a certified professional psychologist or psychiatrist, to reach back into the past and make an reliable diagnosis.Daqu (talk) 05:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Sinatra

Removed from the article:

  • Frank Sinatra, American singer and actor. He was telling in an interview in the 1950s: "Being an 18-karat manic-depressive, and having lived a life of violent emotional contradictions, I have an over-acute capacity for sadness as well as emotion." (Anthony Summers, Robbyn Swan, Sinatra: The Life, 2005, ISBN0385609248; p. 218.)

This is cited, and looks pretty much like a self-declaration of bipolar disorder, but it also could just be a figure of speech; is there any other evidence for Sinatra having been bipolar? -- The Anome (talk) 22:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

More on this: http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/scorsese-to-direct-frank-sinatra-biopic-1003972860.story states "His personal life was just as eventful. He suffered from depression and a bipolar disorder[...]"; but this is not sourced to anywhere else. -- The Anome (talk) 23:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Pronouncements by non-experts are always dubious. If Sinatra said he was diagnosed as manic-depressive, that would carry more weight. Binksternet (talk) 15:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Touched with Fire

Considering this article's bold new name I believe we should dispense with the Touched with fire entries, as these diagnoses were often made by the author, not by contemporaries. LukeSurl t c 18:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

All TWF and references to TWF have been removed. The source itself is suspect, and some of the assertions patently absurd, not to mention just plain wrong. Also, in keeping with the spirit of the page (which I personally nominated for deletion, BTW), the assertions made by the author are original research, violating WP:OR and themselves not derived from credible sources. Finally, the inclusion of a link to the a purchase site for the book smacks of self-promotion, and violates WP:NPOV. --DashaKat 02:15, 23 August 2007 (UTC) I've restored the TWF entries.
  • Jamison is one of the world's leading experts on bipolar disorder, so if we are going to use anyone's retroactive diagnoses, we might as well use hers. In effect, we are using Jamison as an authority for those entries, and explicitly saying so by citing "TWF" as a source. Feel free to mentally add the words "According to Professor Jamison..." before each entry, if that makes it easier. Jamison makes clear and cogent cases for her diagnoses, which are in many cases obvious even to the non-expert: are you really suggesting that Byron was not bipolar?
  • Having "personally nominated" an article for AfD does not give you any special authority over that article, particularly when the AfD decision was "keep". Whittling away at the content of an article until it's gone may seem like an attractive alternative to a successful AfD, but is generally frowned upon.
In addition:
  • TWF is not "original research" in the sense of Wikipedia's original research policy.
  • The NPOV policy is about the Neutral Point of View, not conflict of interest or self-promotion
  • In any case, Professor Jamison did not make those entries herself, so this cannot be "self-promotion"
  • I can't see any link to a "book purchase site", other than the normal Wikipedia ISBN page that is linked from any ISBN citation -- citing an ISBN is good citation practice, not commercial promotion.
-- Karada 11:45, 1 September 2007 (UTC) I'm removing once again all the TWF entries. The long-dead people that the author 'diagnoses' may have had mood swings, they may have had depression, but there can never be any certainty that they were bipolar. Editors trying to add these people to Category:People with bipolar disorder have been turned back by expert editors at each of the target articles, so the only place they appear to have bipolar disorder is here on this page, not over at their own articles. I'm taking that consensus and applying it here, as well as some common sense, to remove from the list all sufferers who could not have been diagnosed by a modern clinician. What we need for those entries is a List of people who may have had bipolar disease... Binksternet (talk) 15:41, 24 August 2009 (UTC) Or List of people who may have been affected by bipolar disorder. Or List of people who Kay Redfield Jamison has assessed as bipolar... Binksternet (talk) 21:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Bipolar I or II? Or what about cyclothymia, for that matter?

Shouldn't there be a differentiation between the various points on the bipolar spectrum? The difference between bipolar I and the other subtypes is very substantial (i.e. psychosis). --209.89.155.96 (talk) 12:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Most people who publicly state that they have bipolar disorder don't make that information public. Cyclothymia, although a mood disorder on the bipolar spectrum [16], is not, as far as I know, officially a subtype of clinical bipolar disorder. -- The Anome (talk) 12:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC) Whether cyclothymia is "officially" a chronic bipolar disorder depends on who is making the distinction. Nonetheless, it is absurd to categorize all forms of bipolar disorder together in a list like this. They aren't the same condition at all. --209.89.155.96 (talk) 15:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC) Actually they're pretty similar compared to, say, diabetes. Leopold Stotch (talk) 07:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC) That's "officially" in the sense of either the DSM-IV-TR or ICD-10, which, as far as I know, are the nearest things we have to "official", "authoritative", (whatever that means) standards in this area. -- The Anome (talk) 18:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Virginia Woolf

Virginia Woolf Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.254.24.56 (talk) 20:37, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Virginia Woolf was also diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. Why isn't she in the list? Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.254.24.56 (talk) 20:35, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Here's a psychology site to add the citation. I don't see why she's not on here either. http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/161/5/809 Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.186.41.44 (talk) 12:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Ben Stiller

Ben Stiller stated in GQ ([17]): "I have not been an easygoing guy. I think it's called bipolar manic depression. I've got a rich history of that in my family." It should be said in the introduction on whether or not professional diagnosis is a requirement for inclusion. I think it absolutely should be. Scarce ? 18:05, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Self-diagnosis should not stand. We have been including statements such as "I was diagnosed as bipolar" but not "I think I am bipolar". Binksternet (talk) 18:17, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

William Styron

William Styron, Darkness Visible

Njabulo1441 (talk) 20:53, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

As far as I can see from a Google book search, Styron's book is about unipolar depression, and explicitly not bipolar disorder. See page 38, around the words "manic type -- the one with euphoric highs -- which would have most probably presented itself earlier in my life" and also this search: http://books.google.com/books?q=The+depression+that+engulfed+me+was+not+of+the+manic+type See here for a longer quote of the same passage, reading ""The depression that engulfed me was not of the manic type - the one accompanied by euphoric highs - which would have most probably presented itself earlier in my life. I was 60 when the illness struck for the first time, in the `unipolar' form, which leads straight down.-- The Anome (talk) 11:28, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Kurt Vonnegut

I think this is a mistake. The Vonnegut with likely bipolar disorder is Kurt's son Mark, as explained in the Wikipedia article about him. The footnoted reference page does not load but when I looked it up on the Wayback machine I found early and late versions of the linked page that both had lists of people with "Depression or Bipolar Disorder." Kurt's depression is a bit more widely known. Thus, I doubt there ever was an original source for Kurt Vonnegut's inclusion in this list. It must have simply been a misinterpretation. Can anyone think of a reason why we shouldn't remove his name? Should we replace it with Mark? Ph7five (talk) 20:37, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Stephen Fry

British Comedian and actor. He himself has said so in public. Stephen Fry Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.200.240.203 (talk) 17:27, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 24.155.244.97, 10 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}}

Hemingway, Ernest - foremost American writer of the 20th Century.

24.155.244.97 (talk) 05:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Not done source please. CTJF83 pride 06:31, 10 June 2010 (UTC) Hemingway now added, with two sources: a book, and an academic paper. More are available, if needed. -- The Anome (talk) 18:21, 10 June 2010 (UTC) I think we have to be very careful about this. In fact Hemingway was never diagnosed as bi-polar during his lifetime. His mental illness may have been caused by a number of mitigating factors such as a rare genetic disorder and an inordinate number of head injuries. In my view the sources\ simply suggest the possiblity of the condition without confirming. Additionally, his alcoholism was an another factor, and in my view, in retrospect a person can only guess but wouldn't know for certain whether or not the diagnosis is accurate. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 19:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Abraham Lincoln

  • Hi, I will be glad if someone would be able to help me.

I'm doing a work to the university, psychology, about Abraham Lincoln and his bipolar disorder, I don't talk English too well, I just have to know what is the source for you to know he had the bipolar disorder. thanks!! tamar

  • See Lincoln's Melancholy: How Depression Challenged a President and Fueled His Greatness, by Joshua Wolf Shenk (2005) ISBN978-0-618-77344-2, ISBN0-618-77344-4 (cloth & paper). His diagnosis is major depression rather than bipolar disorder. --Halcatalyst 22:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Lincoln was a depressive, not Bipolar. --DashaKat 02:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC) Really? I've read and heard that he was bipolar, and he was often described as having a dark "melancholia," which was the contemporary term for what was later called manic-depression and is now called bipolar disorder. Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterwigginout (talk contribs) 23:33, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Frank Sinatra

Billboard, in an article about a forthcoming biopic, states that the late Frank Sinatra was bipolar: see http://www.billboard.com/news/scorsese-to-direct-frank-sinatra-biopic-1003972860.story#/news/scorsese-to-direct-frank-sinatra-biopic-1003972860.story

Throughout his life, Sinatra had mood swings and bouts of depression. He acknowledged this, telling an interviewer in the 1950s: "Being an 18-karat manic-depressive, and having lived a life of violent emotional contradictions, I have an over-acute capacity for sadness as well as elation. (Summers, Anthony; Swan, Robbyn (2005). Sinatra: The Life. New York: Alfred A. Knopf. p.218. ISBN0-375-41400-2.) In her memoirs My Father's Daughter, his daughter Tina wrote about the "eighteen-karat" remark: "As flippant as Dad could be about his mental state, I believe that a Zoloft a day might have kept his demons away. But that kind of medicine was decades off."(Sinatra, Tina; Coplon, Jeff (2000). My Father's Daughter: A Memoir. New York: Simon & Schuster. p.47. ISBN0-684-87076-2.)

Kitty Kelley also refers to him as having manic phases in her book His Way: The Unauthorized Biography of Frank Sinatra: "In his manic phase, Frank seemed like the greatest Italian host since Lorenzo de Medici. He spent money lavishly, wining and dining his friends with unstinting generosity, flying them around the world in his private plane..." (Kelley, Kitty (1986). His Way: Unauthorised Biography of Frank Sinatra. New York: Bantam Press. ISBN9780593011324., page 337 according to a Google Book search, although the text does not appear in the displayed snippet)

I wonder if this is sufficient to justify a listing in this article? -- The Anome (talk) 08:50, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

David Walliams

David Walliams has publicly stated himself to both suffer from major depression and be a manic depressive ... http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2009/09/27/walliams-brand-is-trisexual-115875-21703119/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/4743574/Comic-Walliams-speaks-of-depression-battle.html Preceding unsigned comment added by Princecamp (talk contribs) 16:38, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Helpertoall, 8 May 2011

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Remove Patrick Stump from the list. Source refers to his bandmate Pete Wentz. There is no evidence to suggest Patrick Stump has bipolar disorder. Helpertoall (talk) 17:16, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Done agreed. Elizium23 (talk) 19:18, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Edgar Allan Poe

Just wanted to let people know... within the Poe scholarly community, Poe having any kind of mental illness is considered ridiculous. Depression, bipolar disorder, drug addiction, serious alcoholism and even suicidal tendencies have systematically been ruled out in the past 100 years. This page only perpetuates ridiculous rumors that are no longer respected. I'd remove Poe's name myself but it is sourced. --Midnightdreary (talk) 10:44, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Although Poe's works certainly seem to me to be compatible with his having bipolar disorder, I'm no expert on Poe, and we can only go by the opinions of cited sources. Can you provide any citable references to reliable resources that state that he did not have bipolar disorder? If so, we might be able to modify or remove the entry. -- The Anome (talk) 13:37, 22 September 2008 (UTC) Should I have to have sources that say he did not have bipolar disorder? Does every biography have to say whether or not someone had or did not have bipolar disorder? My suggestion would be to add the word "speculative" or "speculated" next to Poe's entry. In fact, it seems like many of the names listed here rely on a single source - one which is made clear in the article is not very reliable. As a side note, I'd suggest that his work seeming compatible probably only shows a limited understanding of the full breadth of his works. No offense is meant but, frankly, few people know Poe for the majority of his work but instead only for a small portion. --Midnightdreary (talk) 21:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC) There's already a general disclaimer at the top of the list which might address your concerns above, saying: Many of the older cases are speculations, based on their biographies rather than an actual medical diagnosis, and in many cases are not widely accepted by historians, biographers, or physicians. You said above that "within the Poe scholarly community, Poe having any kind of mental illness is considered ridiculous". Since these are scholarly opinions, presumably they have been published, so it's not unreasonable to ask for a cite. There's no need for these cites to specifically say he didn't have bipolar disorder; just to support your assertion above. -- The Anome (talk) 23:12, 22 September 2008 (UTC) I guess my point is that it's not often that a scholar writes about something that does not exist. Poe probably didn't have an ingrown toenail, for example, but I'd be hard-pressed to find a source that says so. Regarding, the disclaimer at the top of the page, it seems the majority of this article is based on the one source which already is disclaimed as coming from a less than reliable source. Anyway, I will try to find a source (though I'm already knee-deep in other projects now). When I do, does that source mean I should remove the name, or does that mean I should add a footnote but leave the speculative unreliable sourced reference to Poe in? --Midnightdreary (talk) 03:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC) I've just found a second source that asserts that Poe was bipolar: see [18], so that makes two published sources. If you can find a cite that a significant number of published sources dispute or dismiss this idea, please add that to the reference on the page, and mark it as disputed. -- The Anome (talk) 05:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC) Update: I've found two more sources that are not simple recyclings of Jamison: see [19] from Edgar Allan Poe: Rhetoric and Style by Brett Zimmerman, published by McGill-Queen's Press - MQUP, 2005, (quote, from p.177: "...when the former was in one of his black moods - evidence supporting (in part) the theory that Poe was manic-depressive (see also Ostrom 404, 437)" and the Collected Works of Edgar Allan Poe by Thomas Ollive Mabbott, Eleanor D Kewer, Maureen C Mabbott, Page 561, Belknap Press of Harvard University Press, 1969, says "Poe certainly had manic and depressive periods". -- The Anome (talk) 06:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC) Update 2: Here's one more, via Google Books: Life and Letters and the London Mercury: An International Monthly of Living, Published by Brendin Pub. Co., 1929 (v.2 1929 Jan-Jun, p.171): "Poe, like Nietzsche, was a manic-depressive; and his existence followed a comparable course." (p.172, a fragment of which is visible in the Google Books snippet view, refers to manic-depression again, and appears from context also to be about Poe, but I can't confirm this because I don't have direct access to the source.) This is particularly interesting, since it can't possibly be derivative of Jamison's research on Poe. -- The Anome (talk) 06:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC) You've found mostly old sources and newer sources that perpetuate the rumors without doing research of their own. As a Poe scholar myself, I'll note that the problem with Poe "research" is that most writers start with an agenda - to make Poe look like a tragic character. Most of their evidence dates back to his first biographer in 1850, Rufus Wilmot Griswold. It's more complicated than you can imagine. --Midnightdreary (talk) 12:32, 23 September 2008 (UTC) I can recommend this, if you like: the number one, most-trusted source of Poe scholarly work is the Edgar Allan Poe Society. I recommend doing a Google search through their domain and trying to find "bipolar" or "bipolarism". Obviously, the truth is that we can never be sure about this, partly due to the lack of psychologists in Poe's day, and because of the ridiculously overwhelming abundance of autobiographical literary criticism that exists today - all based on a relative handful of Poe works. Thanks for discussing this, by the way. --Midnightdreary (talk) 12:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC) The term "Bipolar disorder" was coined in 1957, and became widely used only recently. there are plenty of search resuls for depression and mania on [www.eapoe.org]. Some of the results for mania come from the phrase "mania potu" i.e. delirium tremens, but in some cases, it clearly means mania, like in this letter. Excerpt:

[Text: Edgar Allan Poe to James Russell Lowell - July 2, 1844.]

New-York, July 2. 44.

My Dear Mr Lowell,

I can feel for the "constitutional indolence" of which you complain --for it is one of my own besetting sins. I am excessively slothful, and wonderfully industrious--by fits. There are epochs when any kind of mental exercise is torture, and when nothing yields me pleasure but solitary communion with the "mountains & the woods"-- the "altars" of Byron. I have thus rambled and dreamed away whole months, and awake, at last, to a sort of mania for composition. Then I scribble all day, and read all night, so long as the disease endures. This is also the temperament of P. P. Cooke, of V the author of "Florence Vane", "Young Rosalie Lee", & some other sweet poems-- and I should not be surprised if it were your own. Cooke writes and thinks as you--and I have been told that you resemble him personally.

While this is (my) original research in this case, this kind of first hand account leaves little doubts regarding a bipolar disorder diagnosis. I assume that the opinion of published sources is based on this kind of testimony.--139.165.32.56 (talk) 11:25, 30 November 2008 (UTC) Now that is unequivocally a self-description of the symptoms of bipolar disorder. Since we have five apparently independent reliable sources that say Poe was bipolar, in addition to the first-person evidence above (which we can leave to the reader to interpret) I think we can now firmly put Poe in this list. If other authorities say Poe was not bipolar, I think we need actual cites from them explicitly saying things like "Poe was not bipolar". Incidentally, this [20], from another one of Poe's letters, is an excellent description of the experience of the depressive phase. -- The Anome (talk) 11:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC) I see nothing in that letter that can be described "unequivocally" as bipolar disorder. People need to understand that Poe scholarship is highly controversial and comes in two types: true scholarship (the rare kind) and mass-market scholarship (the kind that perpetuates all the stuff that makes Poe "cool", like he was crazy, or manic-depressive). As a true Poe scholar myself, I am personally hurt, dismayed, and disappointed to continuously see these sorts of things perpetuated. Again, I should point out that a true Poe scholar does not usually write a biography with the lines, "by the way, Poe was not bipolar", just as they don't write, "by the way, Poe was not a woman" or "Poe was not from California". Find any of those lines in a biography of people who are known not to be bipolar, not to be women, and not to be from California, and I'd be impressed that the author wasted ink. Ah well... I can only object so much as I can tell it falls on deaf ears. --Midnightdreary (talk) 14:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC) Believe me, that's a self-description of bipolar disorder: clinical depression with mental anguish and retarded prouctivity, (hypo)mania with increased intellectual productivity, cyclicity, insomnia in the up-phase. Although both mania and depression can have other causes, the cyclicity, changes in productivity, and insomnia clinch the identification as bipolar disorder. It's as clear as if Poe had listed the symptoms of diabetes (excessive urination, thirst, sweet-tasting urine, blurred vision, weight loss, lethargy) or tuberculosis (cough, bloody mucus, fatigue, night sweats, weight loss, fever). Moreover, it was written 40 80 years prior to the invention of the clinical concept of manic-depression by Emil Kraepelin in the 1880's 1919, so it's unlikely that Poe is adopting this self-description as some kind of affectation of glamorous romantic madness. Jamison provides numerous other quotes from Poe's personal writings that appear to confirm this characterization: see Touched With Fire for detailed references. Now we combine this with multiple references from published reliable sources characterizing Poe as bipolar, including the opinion of one of the world's leading experts on bipolar disorder, and we definitely have enough evidence to put Poe on this list. I don't see how any of this makes Poe "cool"; bipolar disorder is an unpleasant chronic condition that's not much fun for anyone involved. If, as you say, this is a commonly-repeated mistaken slur on Poe retailed by mass-market scholarship, I would expect that it would be easy to find a citable debunking of this by reputable Poe scholars setting the record straight. For instance, if (to use your example) popular mass-market scholarship wrongly asserted that Poe was a woman, I would be very surprised not to be able to find a paper in a scholarly journal with words to the effect that Poe was not--as commonly supposed--a woman, with copious references to back up that assertion. -- The Anome (talk) 20:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC) The letter to Lowell was describing his method of writing (ever heard of writer's block?), not his daily life. The "cool" assessment relates to the Rufus Wilmot Griswold article (Even so, Griswold's attempts only drew attention to Poe's work; readers were thrilled at the idea of reading the works of an "evil" man. - Regardless of the specific mental illness, the idea is that someone who wrote scary stories must have some kind of tragedy in his own life to make his works that much more authentic; the claim has been made for 150+ years). Truth be told, I have done little work to find sources to dispute this; bipolarism, schizophrenia, depression, drug addiction, suicidal tendencies... you can find sources that back up any of these assertions. Or, you can write a biography that just gives the facts, and none of them are included. I recently had a visitor ask, "Why doesn't this video mention Poe's drug addiction?" And my answer was, "Why would it? He wasn't addicted to drugs." Anyway, keep on fighting this and you'll notice that I have not made any attempt to remove Poe from this list. --Midnightdreary (talk) 21:17, 30 November 2008 (UTC) I appreciate that. I'd also appreciate any sources you could provide to support your position: the aim in this list is to reflect the opinions of reliable sources, rather than to push any given point of view. -- The Anome (talk) 21:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC) No problem. For right now, everything related to Poe in the article perfectly follows Wiki-policy so I'm backing off. If I find anything, I'll come back. Thanks for the collaboration! --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC) I am astonished at the megalomania of people who think they can make an affirmative diagnosis of bipolar disorder from a 145-word paragraph of a letter. I suppose anyone whose work habits alternate between intense focus and periods of lethargy is automatically bipolar, right? By the way, I made my affirmative diagnosis of megalomania from your brief posts to this section of this talk page. But don't worry, I'm a Ph.D.Daqu (talk) 07:53, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Edgar Allan Poe was not bipolar. Every single credible source ever written about him or by him does not say anything or suggests anything that pertains to bipolar disorder. Not one fact suggests that he was bipolar. A expert from a random letter is not a credible or factual source. Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.28.185 (talk) 07:01, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request, Edgar Allan Poe is not bipolar, the sources are not credible sources

The sources are vague speculations coming from sources that are not credible. Putting him on this page fuels the stupid image that pop culture has created that he was this crazy out of control person with a bunch of mental illnesses, etc. He was actually very well disciplined and calculated. His erratic behavior in his life was due to the death of his wife, drinking, and his many stressfull finiancial troubles.

We should take a vote or something because as someone who reads a lot of Edgar Allan Poe, this really bothers me as a lot of people I would think would see this page if they are researching bipolar disorder.

We generally don't do votes on Wikipedia. I have looked at the sources, and they appear quite credible. However, they all are based on reading his works and not by qualified doctors. If you wish to draw additional editors here, you can make an RfC. I will make a change to the article, but will not remove Poe's name right now. Quinxorin (talk) 07:19, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Russell Brand

British comedian has said in his autobiography that he has bipolar disorder. See http://www.thecnj.com/review/2007/122007/books122007_02.html?headline=Won_over_by_an_idiot_who%E2%80%99s_interesting Preceding unsigned comment added by Miightyhawk (talk contribs) 15:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from KevinNalty, 17 September 2011

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Hi it's Kevin Nalty, one of YouTube's most viewed comedians (source: youtube.com/nalts) and author of "Beyond Viral." (source www.beyondviral.com). I'm "coming out" as I've been recently diagnosed with bipolar and want to help normalize it for others... Would you please add me? I'm not as "famous" as some, but more than others (quarter billion views is more than many TV shows get). Potential copy: "Kevin Nalty is one of the most-viewed online-video comedians and an author. Source: http://willvideoforfood.com/about-nalts/ (I just added that I've got bipolar in the "about" section of this page). My wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Nalty Thanks. It's hard to accept and go public with this, but I know it's good. If you want to e-mail me to confirm: kevinnalty@gmail.com

KevinNalty (talk) 21:44, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Not done Unfortunately unless you can provide suitable, secondary source, independent and reliable references for this assertion, then it will not be suitable for inclusion. The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. If you need any further clarification, don't hesitate to contact me. Jay ????????discuss 22:45, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Steve Jobs

This is not maybe black and white case but deserves mentioning I think http://www.bnet.com/blog/smb/im-a-little-bipolarand-it-helps-my-business/516 http://blogs.psychcentral.com/bipolar-advantage/2011/08/is-steve-jobs-bipolar/ Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.213.52.170 (talk) 02:50, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The first source is not reliable for claims about Steve Jobs, and the second does not give any concrete information, admitting "My evidence is flimsy" and asking Does anyone have any strong evidence for or against the notion that Steve is bipolar?. Elizium23 (talk) 03:51, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Manic depression not possessive

I noticed that in at least one instance the condition is discussed in the possessive:

[DMX] has spoken openly about his manic depression.

While many with the condition do associate manic depression as am aspect of themselves, it is not appropriate -especially for those without the diagnosis- to discuss it this way. Furthermore, this kind of relationship is personal and we cannot speak on DMX's behalf on how he relates with his diagnosis.

Recommend changing to:

has spoken openly about his diagnosis of bipolar disorder [manic depression]. Preceding unsigned comment added by Skarts (talk contribs)

I think it's an entirely reasonable thing to describe a pervasive mental disorder as an aspect of yourself. However, as a description of him from the outside, I somewhat reluctantly agree with you on this. -- The Anome (talk) 10:54, 19 September 2011 (UTC) I by no means suggest that conditions as manic depression/bipolar disorder should be discouraged from one's own identity - I am a very big advocate of the "*being* not *having* bipolar" sentiment - and I am happy that you agree. However, this should extend to individual's perspectives on the condition, and should not be discussed that way as the fact. Furthermore, the sentiment of "being" bipolar is controversial, even within the community. Skarts (talk) 02:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC) I'd appreciate it if this issue were addressed. I don't think it's a big deal. If Wikipedia is going to close certain topics for editing by the public, then the editors must be proactive is responding. Manic depression is *not* possessive, the diagnosis is. Skarts (talk) 21:36, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Category "People with bipolar disorder"

In addition to this list article of people with bipolar disorder, there is also a category of "People with bipolar disorder". Surely there should be some way of automatically ensuring the two are synchronised??? AlexAndrews (talk) 23:28, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Can't be both... major depressive disorder OR bipolar disorder

A quick perusal of this list and the "people affected by major depression" list revealed that many people are listed on both. It is not possible to be diagnosed with both major depressive disorder AND bipolar disorder. If there are manic episodes, it's bipolar; if not, it's major depression. Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.29.227 (talk) 10:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

No. People can go from manic euphoria/ manic episodes to manic depression. Preceding unsigned comment added by Qyack (talk contribs) 06:41, 6 December 2009 (UTC) Actually here is the real scoop. Initially I was hospitalized for depression. At that time I was, as the term implies, Majorly depressed and had vivid strange ideas of reality and I had suicidal ideation. I was in fact Diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder with Psychotic Features. It wasn't until a couple of years later that I started cycling with ideation of grandeur, racing thoughts (where ideas were popping up instantaneously and frequently in my head), (believe me I have some great ideas if only I take the time to write them all down) when in a manic episode. I have seemingly endless energy sleepless nights usually fixated on solving a particular problem otherwise known as a Manic episode (derived from the words mania ) . Hence, the term Bipolar implies the person resides within in two (bi), and opposite states (polar), as in Depressed or Euphoric. These were followed by a major depressive crashes. I was later hospitalized again and re diagnosed as Bi-Polar. The problem with being Bipolar is this: If you are only being evaluated while being in the Depressive state of Bipolar Disorder, the symptoms are identical to Major Depressive Disorder. Depression, at least in my case occupies the majority of my life. The True Manic or as they are now even differentiating, Hypo Manic Episodic behavior and Manic Episodic behavior, vary in length, frequency and intensity. They are in fact unpredictable. It is highly probable, as in my case, that these people were initially diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder and it was later realized the diagnosis needed revision when a Manic Episode manifested itself.

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P.S. The Internet is full of recent research (including Harvard University) of a significant correlation between Bipolar Disorder and Creative Genius. I have been monetarily rewarded by the Government, for the product of one of my Manic Episodes. (They actually paid me almost $1000 for my idea, If interested I can provide proof as I am looking for a job that will exploit my talents, but that's another story). Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.132.40 (talk) 00:25, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. It's not so much that the Venn diagram has no overlap. It's that, by definition, all bipolar peoplebipolar I or bipolar IIhave (or have had or will have) major depressive disorder, but not all depressives are bipolar. We should look into collapsing the list to avoid redundancies. On the other hand, that will require some research, as I'm pretty sure some of the people on this page had no manic episodes to be bipolar. JCaesar (talk) 02:19, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Sources for recent edits

I have removed an entry for Baudelaire which was sourced to the following "senior honors project" thesis paper: [21]. I do not believe that a senior thesis is the reliable scholarly source we are looking for in building this article. More questions, this can be taken up at the reliable sources noticeboard if you are interested in a broader determination. Elizium23 (talk) 19:17, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Some thoughts on the other "sources" cited. Baudelaire and Tennyson were summarily removed due to failing WP:RS. Undergrad thesis papers are not scholarly sources. J.M.W. Turner is cited to a self-published book, see WP:SELFPUB, fails WP:RS. Hermann Hesse is cited to a book on literary criticism written by a critic, not a doctor or health care professional, not WP:RS for statements about Hesse's mental health. Thomas Edison, sourced to a WP:SELFPUB work by a "former trial attorney"; fails WP:RS handily. Walter Benjamin: cited to a compendium of his essays by a modern editor. Assertion says he "suffered from depression and bouts of energy" which is not a diagnosis of bipolar disorder by a health care professional. Fails WP:RS and WP:V. Elizium23 (talk) 14:23, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request from 203.173.235.219, 27 September 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Sir Winston Churchill - British Statesman, wartime politician and Nobel prize recipiant. Referred to his illness as his "Black Dog". 203.173.235.219 (talk) 23:24, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

You need to give a reference to make a request. Chzz> 04:01, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Not done

209.51.241.250 (talk) 19:15, 21 January 2013 (UTC) There are many authoritative citations:

A First-Rate Madness: Uncovering the Links Between Leadership and Mental Illness by Nassir Ghaemi

Bipolar Disorder (Churchill's in Clinical Practice) by Anthony Hale and Marios Adamou

Black Dog, Kafka's Mice, and Other Phenomena of the Human Mind by Anthony Storr

Churchill by Paul Johnson

Churchill: A Study In Greatness by Geoffrey Best

http://www.bipolar-lives.com/winston-churchill-and-manic-depression.html

This list needs to be split in two

This list needs to be split in two, possibly sections in the same page: (a) people who are known to have declared a diagnosis of bipolar (Stephen Fry, Zeta-Jones, etc.) and (b) Speculative and/or professional back-diagnoses based on the analysis (not here, not WP:OR) of circumstantial evidence.

You can't bring back-diagnosis to the proof standard of "Catherine Zeta-Jones shows her long-form bipolar certificate". You also can't just erase Vincent van Gogh -- there are too many culturally significant individuals who have had afflictions of cultural consequence and enough meaning for professionals like dr. Jamison to be able to pattern-match. Each list has a distinct meaning and importance; forcing (a) into (b) and (b) into (a) just erodes the whole process. Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnavarro (talk contribs) 17:04, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Doctors and not writers make diagnosis

This list needs serious pruning and there needs to be a bright line between speculation (eliminate) and actual diagnosis. Authors aren't at liberty to suddenly lay the mantle of medical issues on folks and have those stick. Even those that work in the field are not at liberty to make a diagnosis without attending the subject. Revisionist speculation written by authors is not good enough.
Berean Hunter (talk) 03:42, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

List of people with major depressive disorder is similar. JakeDowell (talk) 04:45, 18 December 2013 (UTC) Even doctor's are not always particularly with diagnosing mental health issues. Many doctors diagnose very early in the treatment process for the sake or making an insurance claim (no diagnosis, no payment for service). It can takes months to refine a proper mental health diagnosis. In my practice I often give a preliminary diagnosis such as Major Depression, Adjustment Disorder or Bipolar in the first session, and refine it to something more accurate and specific later on as treatment continues. So much of diagnosis in mental health is based on the self report of the patient and patients with mental illness are not always particularly good with offering specific details or being completely honest. I agree with the above. Many patients that come to me and tell be they have bipolar have been poorly diagnosed in the past. This list is essentially useless. Jeff Vollmer LCPC Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:D:7500:163:C5C:FCC2:780C:137 (talk) 04:06, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I feel like Adolf Hitler's bipolarity isn't well documented enough to be kept here

It isn't even mentioned on his page Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.203.169.47 (talk) 06:27, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Remove Adolf Hitler

Can we please remove Adolf Hitler from the list? He was such a deluded psychopath, how can anyone claim they know definitively if he had this underlying condition? It reflects poorly on the reality of bipolar disorder, because a lot of people already falsely think the illness equates psychotic insanity. Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.87.73 (talk) 18:17, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

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1. Done Add periods after "filmmaker" and "writer." The use of periods after bullet points is inconsistent throughout (e.g., "Cassia Kis, Brazilian actress" and "Metta World Peace, formerly known as Ron Artest, American basketball player") Sherman Alexie, Native American poet, writer, and filmmaker[1] Hans Christian Andersen, Danish writer[2]

2. Done Inconsistent grammar and syntax with semicolon usage for Frank Bruno: Frank Bruno, British boxer; was hospitalized for a short period and as of 2005 is on lithium.[10][11][12]

3. Done Kay Redfield Jamison is listed twice: once under J and once under R.

Her last name is Jamison, not Redfield. See [[22]] Drdaviss (talk) 12:15, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

4. Done Period inside quotation marks for Gone With the Wind: Vivien Leigh, actress, most famous for her role as Scarlett O'Hara in David O. Selznick's movie "Gone With The Wind".[68]

5. Done Headline capitalization for United States, delete extra space before "though." Abraham Lincoln, 16th president of the united states , though a diagnosis of bipolar disorder did not exist during Lincoln's time .[71]

6. Done Vague pronoun reference for "they" in "suggesting that they." Jessica Marais, South African-Australian actress. She has stated that she has suffered bipolar episodes since she was 12 years old, suggesting that they have been caused by the death of her father from a heart attack.[78][79]

7. Done Inconsistent use of semicolon, should be comma: Burgess Meredith, actor; with cyclothymia.[80]

8. Done Lowercase "a" in "astrophysicist" for capitalization consistency. Dimitri Mihalas, Astrophysicist.[81]

9. Done Comma inside quotation marks after "disorder." If this page is using British punctuation (that is, punctuation marks outside quotation marks, the rule is applied inconsistently throughout) Florence Nightingale, nurse and health campaigner. BPW "Florence heard voices and experienced a number of severe depressive episodes in her teens and early 20s - symptoms consistent with the onset of bipolar disorder", Dr. Kathy Wisner, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center.[90]

10. Done Inconsistent punctuation convention with usage of "Name, role, description." Sometimes comma, sometimes semicolon, sometimes period, sometimes colon. Kim Novak, actress: During an interview with Robert Osborne for TCM in 2012 she stated that she wasn't diagnosed until late in her life.[91] Sinead O'Connor, musician. She discussed her diagnosis in a Guardian interview in 2010.[92]

11. Done Inconsistent usage of Oxford comma. Some lines use it in a series or list, and some do not. Richard Rossi, filmmaker, musician, and maverick minister, revealed for the first time in a live interview on the Lynn Cullen show on 5 June 2008 the link between his artistic productivity and his depression to bipolar disorder, stating that "my father was bi-polar one, and I'm bi-polar two." He spoke of the relationship between creativity and the illness. Tina Malone, British television actress, writer, director and producer (Brookside, Shameless). Diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder and bipolar disorder in 1998.[75][76]

12. Done Inconsistent use of slashes and commas in lists. David Walliams, actor/comedian/author/charity fundraiser.[162]


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Treatment Advocacy Center: "Demi Lovato: Bipolar But Staying Strong."

The Guardian: "This charming man," "The astonishing genius of Brian Wilson"

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MyFiveBest.com: "Five Musicians Who Suffered From Bipolar Disorder."

The Independent: "Being Ernest: John Walsh unravels the mystery behind Hemingway's suicide."

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ABC News: "Catherine Zeta-Jones Sheds Light on Bipolar II Disorder."

The New Yorker: "Frank Sinatra and the Scandalous but Scholarly Biography."

Today.com: "Sinead O'Connor opens up about mental illness struggle in emotional video."

How I Beat Depression: "How Jean Claude Van Damme Beats Bipolar."

NBCNews.com: "Jane Pauley shares her story."

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